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Ork1927

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On ‎11‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 10:40, Gotters said:

all well and good Charlie Austin ranting about his disallowed goal, but what about the penalty for watford before that which they didn't get. 

 

VAR can't come soon enough

 

I'm coming at this from a position of bias after Super Sol Bamba's 'offside' goal on Saturday, but while it might have been interesting for armchair fans to spend 5 minutes watching slowed down, zoomed in footage of Bamba's left boot straying marginally offside as the ref decides what to do - it will do a big impact of those viewing in the ground and potentially condition fans to wait and see what happens everytime a goal is scored.

 

Mayhem in the box, Bamba scores, the ref and linesman couldn't have possibily seen his foot being slightly offside, fans celebrating - similar goals happening week in, week out across the country without controversy. But with VAR, we get 5 minutes of standing around before it gets disallowed (or not) after the Brighton players appeal (and they didn't really yesterday). That would just lead to every goal being appealed that wasn't a smashed in from outside the box (and then maybe they would because there was a foul a minute before). Not what I want to see in football.

 

And I'd say this if it been the other way around - in fact, we had a good penalty shout earlier that wasn't shown on MOTD.

 

As we saw in the World Cup - VAR potentially means more penalties, much more stoppages and still things will be misintepreted/controversial (France's penalty in the final as an example).

 

What will the criteria be for things being reviewed? Its mainly going to come from the players complaining so everyone will complain all the time to try and force a VAR review.

 

 

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where does this 5 mins for a VAR review thing come from, at the world cup most decisions were sub minute.

 

just because VAR isn't perfect doesn't mean its not a lot better than what we have at present, its pretty clear (or was at the WC at least) what does & doesn't get referred and I think it will move the debate on to one about nuances of inconsistently applied rules (what actually is/isn't hand ball, what is active/passive in offside etc)

 

the WC pen thing was interesting as some were for things that just get missed now, like blocking or screening at corners, but others were really soft strikers throwing themselves over defenders legs - Zaha's value will go thru the roof if it comes in.

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16 minutes ago, hmm said:

 

The fairly disastrous use of it in the FA Cup last season, I imagine.

 

So thats it, lets forget all about it, no conceivable way it can be improved upon, lets mark it down as a failed experiment and carry on as we are ?

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1 hour ago, Gotters said:

So thats it, lets forget all about it, no conceivable way it can be improved upon, lets mark it down as a failed experiment and carry on as we are ?

 

What are you talking about? You asked where people might be getting the impression that decisions can be very slow and I gave an example. How does that translate into me suggesting VAR can never possibly work?

 

Obviously it can be made to work in a less shoddy fashion than that, at least if you throw as many resources at it as they did in the WC. I think that some people are thinking it will solve more problems than it really can though, and it will introduce a few of its own. I think that overall we might be a bit better off with VAR, if well implemented, and it would definitely have prevented some of the famous glaring injustices in the past, but it's no panacea.

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Went to the King Power last week to pay my respects to Vichai. Was pretty impressive the sheer scale of the support from fans and clubs across the country and even though it was a dark weekday night there were at least 200 people doing the same. As heartwarming as the eulogising of him has been in the media, they seem to have focused on the same anecdotes. 

 

I've only seen this referenced once in the media, but at the end of every game Vichai would visit the King Power memorial garden. Before heading off in his helicopter he would always leave an unopened bottle of whisky and glasses, so that any fans who had suffered a family loss could toast their memory. He did seem to have the best interests of the fans at the forefront of his mind. 

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Yeah "No good billionaire" and all that but at the very least he was someone who understood that he was buying a club not a team and there are certain things that come with that historically.

 

I struggle to think of another owner from the "Mega rich guy's plaything" collection who gets that, I'll very freely accept Roman does not.

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We were discussing the other day what would have happened if it was the owners of Man Utd, Arsenal or Newcastle in a fatal accident like at Leicester - it could range from very unsavoury to indifference we concluded but can’t seek a book of rememberance and outpouring of love for Ashley, Kroenke or the Glazers.

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It’s been hard reconciling my belief that you don’t get to be a billionaire without a sizeable amount of people being screwed over with my genuine adoration for Vichai. He helped to facilitate one of the greatest times of my life and genuinely made a dream come true.

 

Doing the ironing whilst watching Chelsea claw back a two goal deficit against Spurs was one of the best moments of my life. Icing on the cake was sharing the moment with my eldest both bawling our eyes out. Football eh? 

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30 minutes ago, Stopharage said:

It’s been hard reconciling my belief that you don’t get to be a billionaire without a sizeable amount of people being screwed over with my genuine adoration for Vichai. He helped to facilitate one of the greatest times of my life and genuinely made a dream come true.

 

Doing the ironing whilst watching Chelsea claw back a two goal deficit against Spurs was one of the best moments of my life. Icing on the cake was sharing the moment with my eldest both bawling our eyes out. Football eh? 

 

How the were you managing to do the ironing during that game as a Leiscter fan?  Also, how the hell do you spell 'Leiescster'?

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6 hours ago, Gotters said:

We were discussing the other day what would have happened if it was the owners of Man Utd, Arsenal or Newcastle in a fatal accident like at Leicester - it could range from very unsavoury to indifference we concluded but can’t seek a book of rememberance and outpouring of love for Ashley, Kroenke or the Glazers.

 

Tan wouldn't get anything remotely close. I would guess it would be mainly indifference from the fans unless it happened at the ground/other loss of life as with the Leicester tragedy, but then it wouldn't be everyone wearing  t-shirts/deeply impacted as it would if it was a couple of players or the manager.

 

4 or 5 years ago at the height of the red unrest, I suspect it might have been quite unsavoury by some fans.

 

 

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5 hours ago, dr_manhattan^ said:

 

How the were you managing to do the ironing during that game as a Leiscter fan?  Also, how the hell do you spell 'Leiescster'?

 

I was about 8 bottles of Wild Beer down by that stage. I was all out of fingernails at that point. 

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3 hours ago, Ork1927 said:

Never let it be said that Premier League clubs are out of touch with real life.

 

Just look at this lovely gesture they are making

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46197761

 

FFS!

 

Here is an idea. Each Premier League club should give £250,000 to local charities in Peter Scudamore's name. 

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11 hours ago, Gotters said:

We were discussing the other day what would have happened if it was the owners of Man Utd, Arsenal or Newcastle in a fatal accident like at Leicester - it could range from very unsavoury to indifference we concluded but can’t seek a book of rememberance and outpouring of love for Ashley, Kroenke or the Glazers.

 

I doubt it, I'm sure the Chelsea fans would mark it but you wouldn't see the love Matthew Harding still gets by any means.

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