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Well that was very disappointing. 
 

Space magic wands? Do kindly fuck off. 
 

Also did I miss the bit where everyone fell in love with everyone else? 
 

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I do feel quite sore that such a poorly written show has depicted the death of a dearly loved and storied character. And then to rub it in, brings him back, but as a robot. 


 

I have lost all patience. Like Discovery I stuck it out but won’t be returning for a second season. 

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Oh yeah, one point bugging me for the whole series is the whole concept of a "biological android". I was reading an article a while ago about artificial consciousness, and it made the point that if a robot was programmed to perfectly simulate consciousness, is there any practical difference between that and "actual" consciousness? With that in mind, if you create an artificial human entirely out of flesh and blood, and do it so well that there's no detectable difference between that and a regular human, aren't you just building a regular human?

 

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This was made all the more daft now that Picard's consciousness has been transferred to an "android" body. This new body has no special abilities, looks exactly the same as his human body, ages the same as his human body, and presumably has all the same biological functions. It will also probably never be mentioned again.

 

Those worm Reapers will need to be pretty smart if they're going to avoid accidentally wiping out any biological androids when they're busy wiping out the rest of the biological life in the galaxy.

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Finally finished it. I have to say that with the exception of the first episode, I thought it was really poor. It also felt like it was made on a shoestring budget too. I'm not just talking about effects but set design and wardrobe.

 

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The scenes with Riker on the Bridge in the final epsiode felt like they were FMV from a low budget Star Trek game.

 

Anyway, I don't want to be too negative. Patrick Stewart was supreme (apart from the french A-Team bit).

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23 hours ago, Mr Ben said:

I dont watch Discovery, so dont really care what the showrunners have decided. They're red/orange in the majority of films (ToS films included), as well as series, special effect cock-ups aside. I'm not going to keep banging on about a colour detail more than I have done.

 

And as stated, regardless of the colour of something or what disruptors look like, both Picard and Discovery are terrible for multiple reasons that have already been covered in this, and in Discovery's own thread.

 

Yay. I win.

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It showed promise in the first episode (And the Riker family episode) but sadly wasn't very good. I'll still watch the next series though.

 

Mind you for all the faults of Discovery season 2 it does look like it's about to spawn a Pike show which is something and the time skip has me more excited than for season 2 of Picard. I like a lot of the characters in Discovery (Yay Tilly) but couldn't really get attached to any of them in Picard.

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13 minutes ago, Mr Ben said:

French A-Team :lol:

 

I'm really looking forward to Mike conning Rich into doing the RLM review now.

 

:huh:

Win what? It wasnt an argument or a competition. It was my opinion.

 

Poleron is purple man. You just can't walk that sort of shame back. Hand in your nerd card. You're suspended

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God, what a terrible show this turned out to be. I hate the new crew, fucking despise all of them apart from Picard. It had one decent episode, the first one. Seven was terrible and her acting was dire. The whole thing made no sense and I actually thought I missed an episode between 9 and 10, turns out it was just shit writing. 

 

Dont even get me started on the awful production design. Presumably Michael Okuda is retired. 

 

And Stewart was decidedly average for most of the show. His fantastic acting from Logan was nowhere to be seen, I won't be bothering with Season 2 unless it reviews extremely well 

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1 hour ago, Flub said:

 

Poleron is purple man. You just can't walk that sort of shame back. Hand in your nerd card. You're suspended

I meant the disruptor stuff. Anyway, this isnt purple:

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The nacelles are purple. Maybe they're purple in STO, I cant recall not having played it for like 7 years.

 

Anyway, this is daft now, so drop it.

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5 minutes ago, Flub said:

 

It was daft when it first started :)

 

You thought Romulans used phasers.

:facepalm: No I didnt, stop making things up now.

On 28/03/2020 at 15:50, Mr Ben said:

Disruptor beams:

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That's not a phaser, in case you didnt know....

 

Now kindly stop it, as it looks like your only doing this to troll.

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On 27/03/2020 at 23:59, Mr Ben said:

With all the green lasers firing about during the scene with the multiple copies of the Sirena I thought several Star Destroyers had shown up to the fight.

 

"Phasers? What are those?" asks Alex Kurtzman.

 

:sherlock:

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This reminds me of this one time, at Star Trek camp, when our squad lost a group challenge because a doofus in our group, a lad named Gomer Pile, thought a Self-Sealing Stem-bolt was a Hyperspanner! Can you believe that?!! What a dickhead! Anyway, that night after lights out and as custom dictated, we put bars of soap in our pillow cases and beat the shit out of him. It was all in good fun. I wonder what ever happened to old 'cadet' Pile. Last time I saw him he was muttering to himself in the bathroom with a phaser. I got out of there when I saw a particularly mean staff member going to confront him. 

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I can forgive this series for a lot. I mean, the show was resurrecting a TV series that finished over 20 years ago and is still held up as an example of excellent television. Much like the recent Star Wars sequels, one group wants to relive the old days and the other wants something new, and this show tried to do both.

 

But the internal consistency was flawed, which is something that was rarely an issue with TNG and DS9-era Trek, and is painfully obvious in this show.

 

This is, IMO, best demonstrated by the fact that the Zhat Vash are supposed to be an ultra-secret Romulan intelligence sect, to the extent that even the Tal Shiar are barely aware of them. Which makes their 200+ ship armada a bit jarring. The show's writers went for the easy solution of creating threat by copying and pasting one ship a few hundred times, when instead they could have had the same level of fear by having a secretly developed Romulan ship decked out with Borg weaponry, or a planet-killing weapon on a cloaked vessel, or even a virus that destroys androids. Something that could have created a traditional Trek stand-off of a few ships where the immense gravity of the situation was juxtaposed by the small number of ships involved, which has led to some of the most memorable moments from TNG.

 

I thought that the end was going somewhere really interesting before it took a detour:

 

Everyone thought Picard is dead, and the android colony transfer his memories into an android with a human appearance. When he 'awakes' he sits down with Tilly and the inhabitants of the colony. "Awesome", I thought, "they are going to let everyone believe that Picard is dead (which he is - this is just a facsimile of his brain in an android), and the great Starfleet captain can spend his remaining years teaching these 'children' how to grow as a species and discover their humanity". But no, just straight back onto the bridge of the ship as if nothing had happened. Letting Picard retire to be a teacher for the 'offspring' of one of his crew would be a fitting close to the character's story. But I guess he needs to get back onto the ship to fly around having adventures with space samurai, being emo about the day he was a Borg, and wearing a beret and eyepatch to sneak into space nightclubs.

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On 30/03/2020 at 19:57, sandman said:

And Stewart was decidedly average for most of the show. His fantastic acting from Logan was nowhere to be seen


As much as it pains me to say it I have to agree. Completely lacking in Picard mojo. 
 

Jonathan Frakes, Mirina Sirtis and, surprisingly, Brent Spiner really managed to slip back into character with conviction; Patrick Stewart and Jeri Ryan, I wasn’t buying what they were selling for embarrassingly long stretches. 
 

Ho hum. 

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I’m a bit more forgiving of Jeri Ryan, as I expect she was pretty pissed off from the get-go. She only got the first script a few days before filming, said she didn’t recognise the voice of Seven at all in it, and flipped out as to how she was going to make this work when it wasn’t the same character. All of which is correct, of course. It wasn’t a Seven I recognised either, even taking into account twenty years of reacclimatisation in the alpha quadrant. I only wish Patrick Stewart had given a similar level of fucks for his character, being as he could actually see the scripts while they were being written. 

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On 30/03/2020 at 09:33, Mogster said:

Oh yeah, one point bugging me for the whole series is the whole concept of a "biological android". I was reading an article a while ago about artificial consciousness, and it made the point that if a robot was programmed to perfectly simulate consciousness, is there any practical difference between that and "actual" consciousness? With that in mind, if you create an artificial human entirely out of flesh and blood, and do it so well that there's no detectable difference between that and a regular human, aren't you just building a regular human?

 

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This was made all the more daft now that Picard's consciousness has been transferred to an "android" body. This new body has no special abilities, looks exactly the same as his human body, ages the same as his human body, and presumably has all the same biological functions. It will also probably never be mentioned again.

 

Those worm Reapers will need to be pretty smart if they're going to avoid accidentally wiping out any biological androids when they're busy wiping out the rest of the biological life in the galaxy.

There is more intelligent Science fiction in this post than the entirety of Discovery and Picard.

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14 hours ago, Mr Ben said:

He clearly wants his last hurrah doing the thing most people know him for.

 

Shame he didnt put as much effort in as he did in his last X-Men films.

 

He got the exact same ending and rebirth in X3, another tick in the unoriginal checklist.

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On 29/03/2020 at 14:19, Monkeyboy said:

 

 

 

Wait... so Romulan's are basically Vulcan's that bailed from the planet to live on Romulus and over how ever many years, their inner-eyelids to protect their sight from the Vulcan suns has evolved out...because they no longer need it. 

 

https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Romulan

 

Is the inconsistency meant to be because the Romulan commander lady masquerading as a Vulcan is wearing shades? ...is that not, the point?

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5 hours ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

 

Wait... so Romulan's are basically Vulcan's that bailed from the planet to live on Romulus and over how ever many years, their inner-eyelids to protect their sight from the Vulcan suns has evolved out...because they no longer need it. 

 

https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Romulan

 

Is the inconsistency meant to be because the Romulan commander lady masquerading as a Vulcan is wearing shades? ...is that not, the point?

She's not Romulan. She's supposed to be half Vulcan half Romulan. But we didnt know any of that until the last but one episode I think.

 

The synth doing a mind meld tops all that though :facepalm:

 

Also Vulcans did actually evolve on Vulcan. T'Pol says it in an episode of Enterprise, and Spock mentions it also in the ToS.

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