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Star Trek: Picard - Season 3, it's not s**t

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10 hours ago, davidcotton said:

Be fair the first couple always seem to be ok, then it goes to complete shite. 

The last series started shite and then got worse as it went on. At least they had the decency to not get my hopes up at any point.

 

You never know, this one might be a winner, unless they shoehorn a haggard looking Brent Spiner into every single scene for no reason whatsoever. What random relative will he be this week? Maybe a long lost uncle, or a Mrs Doubtfire inspired Mrs Soong? HELLLLLLOOOOO DEEEEAAARRR!

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When the OG made their geriatric movies, they were obviously ridiculous but they knew what the people nostalgic for them wanted. The characters being themselves. 
 

What modern audience want to watch that trailer’s show? What nostalgic audience want to watch that? Give them a happy hopeful ride into the sunset you shits. 
 

Obviously  I’ll still watch it, but even the trailer is bad. Season 2 was trash, but even that managed a good trailer. 

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8 hours ago, LaveDisco said:

When the OG made their geriatric movies, they were obviously ridiculous but they knew what the people nostalgic for them wanted. The characters being themselves. 
 

What modern audience want to watch that trailer’s show? What nostalgic audience want to watch that? Give them a happy hopeful ride into the sunset you shits. 
 

Obviously  I’ll still watch it, but even the trailer is bad. Season 2 was trash, but even that managed a good trailer. 

 

Remember, what P. Stew thinks people want is action hero shagger Picard. The fucking twit.

 

He has no time for the TNG character people love.

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9 hours ago, LaveDisco said:

When the OG made their geriatric movies, they were obviously ridiculous but they knew what the people nostalgic for them wanted. The characters being themselves. 
 

What modern audience want to watch that trailer’s show? What nostalgic audience want to watch that? Give them a happy hopeful ride into the sunset you shits. 
 

Obviously  I’ll still watch it, but even the trailer is bad. Season 2 was trash, but even that managed a good trailer. 


There is this trend in so many of these cynical nostalgia bait to make the lives of the characters after their original happy endings as miserable as possible. 
 

Seemed like everyone from the original cast in Star Wars had a life worthy of a Ken Loach film straight after they slept off their hangover on Endor.

 

Ghostbusters

 

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Poor old Egon dies a friendless loner estranged from his family.


Obviously Picard, not even the Rikers dodged a lazy tragedy backstory. Christ knows what horrors thay'll have heaped on the rest of the crew.


I liked that Top Gun Maverick bucked the trend. Maverick is enjoying his life and doing what he loves. Yeah he's single, but this isn't portrayed as some great tragedy and him getting into a new relationship is treated as something that's nice for him rather than some kind of gaping hole that means he's wasted his life. As opposed to the skin crawling scenes of supposedly burning passion between Patrick Stewart and someone who looks like they should be changing his catheter.

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You’ve got to have some sort of drama in there to be resolved, and it’s more meaningful if the characters we care about are involved, especially if they’re the protagonists! Maverick is tortured by the loss of Goose and has been sabotaging his son’s career out of overwrought paternalism. You then resolve that drama over the course of the movie.

 

The Star Trek TOS movies all have that. The best of them are about them being old losers with no place in the world any more, being chased by their past cruelties (Khan, the family Kirk unwittingly abandoned, their hatred of Klingons, uh whaling…) which they then deal with dramatically leading to satisfying catharsis.

 

The issue is whether it’s done well, not whether it’s done.

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I think there's a difference between characters having flaws and experiences and lazy hacks who feel that every character needs some Batman style tragedy in their background. The latter is far more common from the likes of Kurtzman and his pal JJ.

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YES! This is the thing that always pisses me off about sequels. The characters you loved and their happy ending? Tough luck buddy, it's all totally GONE TO SHIT!

I think it is lazy. You could join them still in their happy place and then follow from there as they get confronted with the new challenge. But no, it's 'let me fill you in on all the death and tragedy you missed', skipping to the redemption bit that hardly feels earned. Oh you've learned to love again have you? Given I only just found out you lost that, it's not really that affecting.

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I have hope for this. As layton mentioned, this is getting real positive feedback from those that have seen it. Though, I remember all those "early impression" critic tweets about Rise of Skywalker and similar films.

 

I did hear about some of the backstory on this though. Apparently most of the head honchos left after S2 (one to Strange New Worlds for example), and after that they binned off all the S1/S2 cast except Raffi (as they have a plan for her or something) and Seven, well, because everyone loves her. So, they have a blank sheet, and want it to be more like new TNG as it should of been from S1 rah rah.  I mean, it's all word right now, but, it's the right type of talk.

 

I believe!

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1 hour ago, IcEBuRN said:

I did hear about some of the backstory on this though. Apparently most of the head honchos left after S2 (one to Strange New Worlds for example), and after that they binned off all the S1/S2 cast except Raffi (as they have a plan for her or something)

 

The show definitely needs to focus more on Raffi. It's what we've all been crying out for.

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I don’t know who their target audience was with the first two series, because it definitely wasn’t anyone that watched TNG, and anyone that hasn’t watched that wouldn’t care about the titular character. It didn’t just jump the shark, but drove a monster truck over a series of them, the worst of which was Picard putting on an eyepatch and sounding like someone from Allo Allo. 

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4 hours ago, IcEBuRN said:

I have hope for this. As layton mentioned, this is getting real positive feedback from those that have seen it. Though, I remember all those "early impression" critic tweets about Rise of Skywalker and similar films.

 

I did hear about some of the backstory on this though. Apparently most of the head honchos left after S2 (one to Strange New Worlds for example), and after that they binned off all the S1/S2 cast except Raffi (as they have a plan for her or something) and Seven, well, because everyone loves her. So, they have a blank sheet, and want it to be more like new TNG as it should of been from S1 rah rah.  I mean, it's all word right now, but, it's the right type of talk.

 

I believe!

 

Seasons 2 and 3 of the show were filmed simultaneously. So I imagine we won't see any drastic alterations in style, like in Harry Potter when there were changes in the creative team between films.

 

It's going to be more of the same shit with a Lord of Rings style consistency.

 

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Mark A. Altman, the guy who wrote all those amazing behind the scenes books about Star Trek, has been tweeting that this is the best Trek show in decades. And, interestingly, that it isn't really 'Picard season 3'.

 

He's also written a review, which ends with: 

 

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A lot of naysayers have asked if they need to watch (or be tied to a chair and forced to watch) Picard’s season 1 and 2. The answer is no. If anything, those getting ready to embark on this new adventure should refresh themselves with several key episodes of Next Generation (revealing them would constitute spoilers, however) as well as several of the Star Trek movies, which are key touchstones here. Either way, Picard season 3, not unlike The Undiscovered Country was to original Star Trek, is an elegy for a beloved era of Star Trek and a ride more than worth taking. To paraphrase a certain glabrous captain, it is very engaging television. Kudos to Alex Kurtzman for giving the keys to the kingdom to Matalas, and to Terry and his creative team for making it so.

 

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My life would be so much easier if a transphobe had created TNG then I could happily not hold out any hope, boycott this and not watch this.

 

Instead the hope still burns in me as a tiny flickering ember.

 

FFS

 

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