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Shed a couple of tears there. Really enjoyed it.

 

I knew who had arrived, couldn’t really be anyone else, but I still sat there with my hand over my mouth muffling my cries of ‘omg, it’s xxxxxxxxx’.

 

To echo @Jg15’s thoughts, my faith has been restored.

 

 

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11 hours ago, BitterToad said:

So I'm happy people are enjoying this but... well... since we got rid of negs...

 

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I'm really gutted that the culmination of two series of cool original Star Wars movies is Luke fucking Skywalker again. I love Luke, he's a great character and I love how we see him grow in the original trilogy and then change in the sequel trilogy. But I also love Mando. And Grogu. And I was really enjoying watching their story pan out away from space Jesus and his mates. They fought a fucking dragon, they wore awesome armour and did cool force shit, they ate babies! It was fresh and original and it showed how there is space (har har) in this universe for new character going about taking bounties doing fun job of the week type stuff. 

 

And then that X Wing turns up and it kind of feels like everything we've watched them do is just to move us towards this Luke Skywalker scene and the setup of a Boba Fett series. It's just yet more of the Skywalker saga backed up by a slightly worse version of the Rogue One Vader scene and a really really ropey CGI Luke that just sort of stands there and gapes dead eyed and doesn't sound like Luke. 

 

I just want a new story in this universe. I'm not anti nostalgia at all, I thought a lot of the call backs in TFA added nice flourishes and really enjoyed the new slant The Last Jedi put on old characters. But I think I'm disappointed because of how much I was enjoying this story as its own thing and now it just doesn't feel as much like that. 

 

 

 

Much as I loved the episode, and as I said the second season just about teeters on the edge of spoiling itself with fan service, I can't disagree with any of that.

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That was stunning. 

 

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The whole episode was brilliant, and that ending was a shining example of fan service done right.

 

I wondered if it might be Luke the second the X-Wing showed up, but only because of the talk earlier in this thread about recasting him and all that. I figured it couldn't be though, but then we saw the glove and the green lightsaber. :D

 

Grogu's goodbye was perfectly done, and both my wife and I were in tears. It was bad enough to start with, but then Mando took his helmet off, Grogu hugged his leg, and then along came R2 and it was all too much.

 

This whole season has been amazing really, and I'm completely on board for all the new shows.

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Loved almost everything about it. 

 

That said: I can see what the naysayers are saying. The arrival did relegate


 

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Mando to a passenger voyeur on his own series finale. I desperately wanted them to open the blast doors and take on the remaining dark troopers prior to the lift opening to help Luke out of a potential stand off. There was so many ways Mando could have been given a few heroic moments to parallel Luke's actions. 


 

That said so much about the two series has been brilliant. Confused about:

 

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So does Book of Boba = Mando series 3 under a new name? I thought I'd read Mando series 3 Dec 2021  as well? Or is that people not wanting to do spoilers in their reporting? Or are there two series to come at the end of 2021 in which case there's no way there won't be a crossover surely. 

 

Regardless: so far the best thing to come from the Star Wars universe since ROTJ. 

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If loving fan service of that quality is wrong, I don't want to be right. That was easily one of the most exciting episodes of TV I've ever seen. At this point they've totally won me over and basically do no wrong and yet they managed to raise the bar yet again. Pretty much every moment of that was amazing, from the Lambda-class shuttle chase at the start right through to the post-credits teaser. The storytelling, the way it was shot, the designs, the dialogue, the SFX and, especially, the music.

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I really have no idea where they are going to go next. They surely just can't do The Mandalorian season 3 sans Grogu. My best guess is that The Book of Fett is season 3, and they will revisit the dangling threads with the dark sabre, Bo-Katan and Din either at a later date or in the other parallel series. Perhaps the behind-the-scenes rumours did cause them to cut the series short whilst leaving the door open. In any case, it's resulted in a great story that actually developed at a reasonable rate and didn't outstay its welcome.

 

As far as Grogu is concerned, they've set themselves up well for his return. As far as we know Luke has taken him to the site of a terrible tragedy, but that is many years away and anything can between now and then. Grogu's rescue/escape would be an excellent way into showing us more about that massacre and the barely-glimpsed Knights of Ren, whilst also reuniting Din and Grogu without it just feeling like a repeat of what we've just seen.

 

I'm definitely excited for Narcos: Tatooine though, with Fett as el jefe. I definitely wouldn't have said that a few weeks ago, but Morrison is nailing it as Fett.

 

 

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16 hours ago, IcEBuRN said:

It was janky, but It's a TV show, so i'll cut them some slack on that.

 

Plus it must have been hard as hell during the year we've had to get all that finished, even for a movie. I feel that it's something that might get quietly patched in the future to bring it inline with the quality we've seen in the MCU.

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19 minutes ago, Pob said:

If loving fan service of that quality is wrong, I don't want to be right. That was easily one of the most exciting episodes of TV I've ever seen. At this point they've totally won me over and basically do no wrong and yet they managed to raise the bar yet again. Pretty much every moment of that was amazing, from the Lambda-class shuttle chase at the start right through to the post-credits teaser. The storytelling, the way it was shot, the designs, the dialogue, the SFX and, especially, the music.

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I really have no idea where they are going to go next. They surely just can't do The Mandalorian season 3 sans Grogu. My best guess is that The Book of Fett is season 3, and they will revisit the dangling threads with the dark sabre, Bo-Katan and Din either at a later date or in the other parallel series. Perhaps the behind-the-scenes rumours did cause them to cut the series short whilst leaving the door open. In any case, it's resulted in a great story that actually developed at a reasonable rate and didn't outstay its welcome.

 

As far as Grogu is concerned, they've set themselves up well for his return. As far as we know Luke has taken him to the site of a terrible tragedy, but that is many years away and anything can between now and then. Grogu's rescue/escape would be an excellent way into showing us more about that massacre and the barely-glimpsed Knights of Ren, whilst also reuniting Din and Grogu without it just feeling like a repeat of what we've just seen.

 

I'm definitely excited for Narcos: Tatooine though, with Fett as el jefe. I definitely wouldn't have said that a few weeks ago, but Morrison is nailing it as Fett.

 

 

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Grogu is a Knight of Ren?!?

 

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33 minutes ago, SweatyTravolta said:

 

Plus it must have been hard as hell during the year we've had to get all that finished, even for a movie. I feel that it's something that might get quietly patched in the future to bring it inline with the quality we've seen in the MCU.

The opening of Terminator Dark Fate shows that it is now possible to do major de-ageing or even 100% CGI heads that pretty much surpass the uncanny valley, so you might be right. It’s okay when it’s kept to very brief appearances but it does still take me out of the moment just because I know I’m looking at CG rather than a human performance. 

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41 minutes ago, JohnC said:
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He looks a little short for a stormtrooper Knight of Ren

 

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Well he could have been there at the end of rise of skywalker. He’d have been out of shot though as he’s only knee high. 

 

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Wow, really enjoyed that finale. And it crowns off what has been all round a fantastic season throughout. Mando is making a habit of strong endings!

 

Beyond some of what has been mentioned already, I also really liked...

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That they nailed the hierarchy of Jedi. They are supposed to be the absolute elite warriors, mystically gifted, highly effective and dangerous, however we have seen that diluted/confused sometimes across various plot arcs and stories. In this we have come to know that Din, Bo, Fennec, Cara, etc... are well trained, highly competent warriors. Yet when Mando comes up against one Dark Trooper the struggle is plain to see, and a whole platoon of them is just game over for them all on their own. Then Luke turns up full force powers and lightsaber at the ready and decimates them all single handedly while our hero's basically just watch on in awe. I just thought it really put things into a nice perspective, the Jedi are rare, powerful, and almost divine.

 

Oh and also...

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Force crushing a Dark Trooper like a coke can before throwing it in the recycling. :wub:

 

One thing I would say is...

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While not terrible, I really don't like these servicable but not quite good enough CGI faces. It definitely hit uncanny valley for me and in some ways I think it took me out of the moment a bit. Certainly I was nowhere near the tears some people have spoken about (that's all good by the way), and it sort of speed bumped the Mando/Grogu goodbye a bit for me.

 

Personally I would have much preferred them to leave his hood up and let his face be partly shadowed to help sell the effect as with the X-Wing, glove and green saber we all know who it is (exactly as I thought in Rogue One they should never have made Grand Moff Tarkin turn round, the reflection of him looked fantastic and it would have been better left like that).

 

Just my opinion and in no way did it spoil how much I enjoyed it.

 

It's definitely feeling like they are looking at MCUing this, with Favreau and Filoni playing the Kevin Feige role. I am all in for that personally, these boys know how to make Star Wars great again.

 

Also for those questioning a third season...

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It is my understanding this is all green lit and underway. I think the Book of Boba is another additional series (possibly the remnants of the Boba film they were going to make after Solo?)

 

Personally I think Mando has plenty of shelf life. The Child arc may be finished, but we now have a much more rounded Din (who can now actually take his helmet off and give Pedro a chance to flex those excellent acting muscles as we have seen) and there is the whole issue of the Dark Saber, Mand'alor title and future freedom of Mandalore itself. And with Bo, Reeves, etc... if anything I can see the next series becoming even more pure "Mandalorian" and lean heavily into the link with Rebels, etc... I would put money on Sabine making an appearance for example.

 

What a bloody great time (finally) it is to be a Star Wars fan.

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Just incredible, heart breaking and brilliant, and awesome, and amazing. 
 

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I loved the bit with Luke just effortlessly wafting away those dark troopers and the very last one using <shudder> Vader grip. It was great because we have been shown what an utterly rock hard bastard Mando is, and how he struggled, heroically, to take down just one on his own (that punch relentlessly to the face from it though :o) and Luke just.. not even a bead of sweat. Easily the greatest scene in Star Wars since Luke/Vader in Jedi. 

 

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3 hours ago, drmick said:

My attention was clearly at a different point of the screen at the end, but did the Dark Troopers make any attempt to attack? It seemed like they just froze waiting to be killed.

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To me that was the point, there was no fight, they were completely overcome and basically deactivated once within Luke’s mindfield - anything they tried was utterly pointless and taking them  out was trivial, a mere inconvenience, even to the point with the last one it felt like he couldn’t even be bothered using his saber relying on force grip instead. 

 

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27 minutes ago, Stanley said:
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To me that was the point, there was no fight, they were completely overcome and basically deactivated once within Luke’s mindfield - anything they tried was utterly pointless and taking them  out was trivial, a mere inconvenience, even to the point with the last one it felt like he couldn’t even be bothered using his saber relying on force grip instead. 

 

 

They could try shooting all at the same time at least!

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A great end to Series 2 after a bit of an iffy start. The first 3 episodes fell into the A-Team mode, moving from place to place, helping out people in trouble, and it was almost as if they had forgotten the story arc of Series 1. 

 

It wasn't until the Carl Weathers episode that the gears fully engaged again and it was full on brilliant to the finish. It managed to outdo a lot of the film material with ease.

 

There is no need for a Mandaoiran Series 3, the ending here was perfect. Don't do a "Cracker" Series 3.

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It was enjoyable but I didn't like this nearly as much as some of you. The show has always been as deep as a puddle, but my biggest problem with current SW is that it makes a vast universe seem incredibly small. It's as if there are only seven important figures in that entire universe. 

 

I loved how TLJ told us that a nobody can be a hero, but all the great things that film set-up were retconned in the disappointing RoS and now we constantly get bombarded by nostalgia pandering and fan service. They could have had a cool new Jedi or Sith react to Grogu's Force call, but of course it had to be 

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Luke

 

I'm kinda done with that. Give me something truly fresh.

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