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On 20/12/2020 at 21:08, JPL said:

I didn’t want to start an argument by the way. I just wanted to say how happy I was to finally see him how I wanted to see him, instead of the boring, totally out of character nonsense of TLJ. I love Star Wars and it still pisses me off how little they understood it in the Sequels.

 

All in my opinion of course, before someone else decides to tell me how stupid I am for having a different view to theirs.


Nope, that was exactly what I most wanted to see in the new trilogy; Jedi Master Luke at the height of his powers, and something finally delivered. Just a shame Mark Hamill effectively spoiled it before I saw it; his “hey everyone, please don’t spoil this unnamed thing for people whole haven’t seen it” on Friday being the only even vague spoiler I’d seen anywhere, which sent me in thinking “that’s got to be Luke in The Mandalorian. Thanks Mark. And even if it’s something else I’ll now be disappointed when Luke’s now not in it”.

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1 hour ago, Benny said:

The music in the series has been consistently one of the best scores ever. Including films.

 

Speaking of which.

 

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I might be wrong, but I think I heard a bit of Luke's theme from the new trilogy as Luke was walking up to the blast doors, which was a lovely touch.

 

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1 hour ago, JPL said:

I didn’t want to start an argument by the way. I just wanted to say how happy I was to finally see him how I wanted to see him, instead of the boring, totally out of character nonsense of TLJ. I love Star Wars and it still pisses me off how little they understood it in the Sequels.

 

All in my opinion of course, before someone else decides to tell me how stupid I am for having a different view to theirs.


Even though it was underneath your response it wasn’t really a dig at yours - it was the earlier long form deconstruction really. Absolutely no problem at wanting different things and getting served what you want on different occasions. But there is also no denying that some of the more militant TLJ haters use Mandalorian to diminish what they don’t like. E.g the discourse of the 4 woman fireteam (“this is how you do Diversity!”) when what they meant was “not Rose!”.

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16 hours ago, mikeyl said:


Even though it was underneath your response it wasn’t really a dig at yours - it was the earlier long form deconstruction really. Absolutely no problem at wanting different things and getting served what you want on different occasions. But there is also no denying that some of the more militant TLJ haters use Mandalorian to diminish what they don’t like. E.g the discourse of the 4 woman fireteam (“this is how you do Diversity!”) when what they meant was “not Rose!”.

To be honest, I hadn’t read the thread when I posted, so I wasn’t aware that anyone else was slating TLJ. I’m always going to think they totally fucked up the sequel trilogy and it made me wonder if they could actually make anything decent, but this show has shown me they can.

 

I don’t know anything about your last sentence, but I don’t think anyone on here is like that. There’s just quite a few of us, quite rightly in my eyes, that absolutely hated how they handled Luke.

 

Anyway, as I said, I didn’t want to start an argument, so let’s get back to talking about how good Mando has been.

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5 minutes ago, Doctor Shark said:

I don’t understand why Disney didn’t just use that, considering some bloke has managed to do it himself in his spare time over the weekend for far superior results. 

They’ve obviously invested in some other kind of tech for it, seeing as they’ve used it for Tarkin, Leia and now this. They must be pretty pissed off though, because the results so far have been terrible.

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Following my fifth viewing today I've decided Season 2 Episode 8 of Mandalorian is the highlight of my movie / TV show / gaming year. Yes I am taking the release of the PS5 into account so that should put that statement into context :)

 

It’s in my top 5 of all time in that category but for this year at least with all its horrendous, soul crushing bullshit, this has made me so unbelievably happy and for some reason more looking forward to Christmas and watching the original trilogy again with my son.

 

I appreciate I’m maybe getting carried away, but I don’t care. I can’t give it any higher praise than that, so I won’t try. Just fucking magical!

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11 hours ago, 5R7 said:

i don't understand why they don't just use a composite from footage, it would look better, at the very least, take the original person and scan all available data to create a head!


I remember it being said they tried the latter with Carrie Fisher, but ageing changes the face shape so much that it doesn’t help at all in creating a 20 year old version of someone.

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On 19/12/2020 at 17:30, Vemsie said:

It was enjoyable but I didn't like this nearly as much as some of you. The show has always been as deep as a puddle, but my biggest problem with current SW is that it makes a vast universe seem incredibly small. It's as if there are only seven important figures in that entire universe. 

 

I loved how TLJ told us that a nobody can be a hero, but all the great things that film set-up were retconned in the disappointing RoS and now we constantly get bombarded by nostalgia pandering and fan service. They could have had a cool new Jedi or Sith react to Grogu's Force call, but of course it had to be 

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Luke

 

I'm kinda done with that. Give me something truly fresh.

There's your problem. You thought the TLJ was good, and not a steaming pile of fuck you to the fans and the film that came before it.

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2 hours ago, MrPogo said:


I remember it being said they tried the latter with Carrie Fisher, but ageing changes the face shape so much that it doesn’t help at all in creating a 20 year old version of someone.

 

If its just a straightforward mesh of the surface geometry, sure, but at this point I'd half expect someone could feed a face into an algorithm and have it figure out the underlying bone structure, moreso if it has both the old one and a young one to cross reference against each other. I mean, faces should be perfect for algorithmic learning; slight variations on what are otherwise firm rules (same anatomy, limited range of proportions etc).

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On the topic of people I don't know why they just don't cast similar looking actors.  The uncanny valley isn't worth the trade off.  

 

The performance and more believable and it's not like audiences haven't made this leap of faith a hundred times already.

 

 

 

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Just catching up to the second season, finished episode 5. I've not seen any opinions on the season itself and maybe I'm way off the mark, but episode 5 is the first episode that lived up (in any shape) to how I feel the premise should be handled. It was well plotted, there was space to breath at the right moments, the dialogue wasn't stilted and plain rubbish and the acting was good across the board. I gave a wry smile at the end when Dave Filoni's name came up as writer and director.

 

Anyway, it was really good imo and stood out to me hugely compared to what I've seen previously, including the first season. It'll be interesting to come back to the thread after I've finished the season and read others opinions! I'm prepared to be in my own little world!

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21 minutes ago, gizmo1990 said:

Just catching up to the second season, finished episode 5. I've not seen any opinions on the season itself and maybe I'm way off the mark, but episode 5 is the first episode that lived up (in any shape) to how I feel the premise should be handled. It was well plotted, there was space to breath at the right moments, the dialogue wasn't stilted and plain rubbish and the acting was good across the board. I gave a wry smile at the end when Dave Filoni's name came up as writer and director.

 

Anyway, it was really good imo and stood out to me hugely compared to what I've seen previously, including the first season. It'll be interesting to come back to the thread after I've finished the season and read others opinions! I'm prepared to be in my own little world!

You're gonna hate the finale.

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The character development you refer to was shit character development, and you can't just rewire a character anyway you like and call it development. Particularly if you don't, you know, do any of the hard work of developing them via showing an actual story.

 

The toxic stuff around TLJ is unfortunate because it clouds the fact the film was bad. 

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11 hours ago, BitterToad said:

This thread shows yet again how throwing in a bit of character development completely ruined the Star Wars fandom. 

 

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I've already said in this thread that basically using two seasons of a different story to lead into showing ten minutes of Luke Skywalker wasn't what I wanted from the Mando finale, but others have really enjoyed it and that's great. That might read as me trying to be superior but it honestly isn't, if you want more from the Skywalker story more power to you, it's just not what I want at this moment in time. 

 

The people I'm referring to are the same people that sit in waiting for anyone to mention Star Wars for a chance to quietly mutter "not my Luke...." or "why was Poe stupid..." or "Rhianna-" wait did someone actually use "Rhianna Johnson" as an insult before basically explaining that they didn't understand Poe's arc in The Last Jedi as any of this was some sort of criticism. Wow. 

 

Anyway, I'm referring to the same people that have been making the fandom completely toxic since someone tried to actually develop a character beyond what they were before a 30 year gap. Again I have no issue with people not liking TLJ, but it's the constant mentions every time anything happens with Star Wars about how much they hated it that just baffle me. I really really hated The Rise of Skywalker, but that's it. It's done. I really enjoyed a lot about Mando Season 2, bits of it were some of my favourite Star Wars in a long while, but literally none of me was compelled to come on here and rag on Rise of Skywalker. I just wanted to talk about how good Mando was. I think that's part of what annoys me with everything linking back to the Skywalkers. I have to hear the same idiots making the same points about a thing I really loved when all I want to do is enjoy new stuff with that music and those sound effects and bloody lightsabers. 

 

I just want to enjoy new things and... how can I put this... 

 

Let the past die. 

 

Not my Star Wars. Just a fundamental disagreement.

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12 hours ago, BitterToad said:

This thread shows yet again how throwing in a bit of character development completely ruined the Star Wars fandom. 

 

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I've already said in this thread that basically using two seasons of a different story to lead into showing ten minutes of Luke Skywalker wasn't what I wanted from the Mando finale, but others have really enjoyed it and that's great. That might read as me trying to be superior but it honestly isn't, if you want more from the Skywalker story more power to you, it's just not what I want at this moment in time. 

 

The people I'm referring to are the same people that sit in waiting for anyone to mention Star Wars for a chance to quietly mutter "not my Luke...." or "why was Poe stupid..." or "Rhianna-" wait did someone actually use "Rhianna Johnson" as an insult before basically explaining that they didn't understand Poe's arc in The Last Jedi as any of this was some sort of criticism. Wow. 

 

Anyway, I'm referring to the same people that have been making the fandom completely toxic since someone tried to actually develop a character beyond what they were before a 30 year gap. Again I have no issue with people not liking TLJ, but it's the constant mentions every time anything happens with Star Wars about how much they hated it that just baffle me. I really really hated The Rise of Skywalker, but that's it. It's done. I really enjoyed a lot about Mando Season 2, bits of it were some of my favourite Star Wars in a long while, but literally none of me was compelled to come on here and rag on Rise of Skywalker. I just wanted to talk about how good Mando was. I think that's part of what annoys me with everything linking back to the Skywalkers. I have to hear the same idiots making the same points about a thing I really loved when all I want to do is enjoy new stuff with that music and those sound effects and bloody lightsabers. 

 

I just want to enjoy new things and... how can I put this... 

 

Let the past die. 

 

You really just want to enjoy Mando so much that you decided to type out a long post to insult anyone who’s got a different opinion to you by calling them toxic idiots?

 

I agree that whoever called him Rihanna was pretty childish, but is there really anything wrong with others, myself included, comparing this favourably to what we feel they messed up in the sequels, on this, a discussion board?

 

Maybe just roll your eyes and move on, rather than attacking people, if it offends you that much.

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Regardless of how you feel about fanservice, I think the end of season 2 was a perfect conclusion to the story so far.

 

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Mando's whole quest was to deliver Grogu to the Jedi. One of the most praised episodes of the season had Mando and chums defending Grogu while he called out to the Jedi! Of the few Jedi still around at this point it made complete sense that it would be Luke who answered that call, and if it were anyone else I imagine they'd have taken Grogu to Luke for training anyway.

 

And for what it's worth, TLJ is easily my favourite of the new movies, despite what I feel were a few missteps, and I love how Luke was handled there. However, bearing in mind where this is set I don't see how Luke ends up makes any difference to what he's up to here.

 

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