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10 minutes ago, Waggo said:

 

That is a lecture not a discussion.  

Let's turn that idea on its head for a second. Do you think that people barging into a thread, posting bollocks and then backtracking by saying they don't know anything about the subject is a discussion? 

 

They're basically demanding for others to explain things to them because they can't be bothered to do the bare minimum of a few minutes' reading (be that here or elsewhere on the Internet). Fuck that.

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35 minutes ago, sid said:


So we should google things instead of discussing them . oook

 

this used to be a place you could have a discussion.

You should seek to understand things in order to discuss them, because you took a stance absent of information and drew a conclusion about me/this place. And then you did it again, in the second sentence above. It's that you've adopted a position, not that you cannot discuss anything here. We're literally having a discussion.

 

Now, federated authentication in Azure? Yeah, fire away, there's a frightfully dull topic to Google.

 

Holocaust denial? You know, those two words together should illicit some sort of "huh, yeah, I best find out myself what that's all about, particularly as people seemed to be quite pissed off about it" response, not expecting people to both a) bring you up to speed and b) demonstrate Gina's part in it and then when we don't, complain about lack of discussion.

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53 minutes ago, velma said:

FWIW there have been other examples where public figures have compared treatment of X group, or strategies used by X group, with the treatment of Jews, or with the Nazis. If that comparison is felt to be obviously wrong, IE that the thing they are comparing is anything other than genocide, then it is widely accepted under the definition of anti semitism. The reasoning behing that the act of comparison is minimising the seriousness of the Holocaust and what actually happened. 

 

That might seem like a stretch until you remember that attempts to undermine and minimise public perception of the Holocaust has been a priority for far right groups over the years. 

 

 


Ok thanks I can see that point.... when anything at all compared to the Holocaust can undermine it in any way you can’t use therefore it as an example. Even if in itself the comparison is not specifically anti Semitic. Understood thanks....every days a school day and all that.
 

Fucking hell this place though.

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8 minutes ago, Talvalin said:

Let's turn that idea on its head for a second. Do you think that people barging into a thread, posting bollocks and then backtracking by saying they don't know anything about the subject is a discussion? 

 

 

No that is a perfectly valid point.  But equally admitting you are out of your depth on a subject that you have commented on perhaps without fully understanding the context, is to my mind an apolgetic post that got jumped all over.  Don't forget this thread is actually about popular TV show The Mandalorian at the end of the day, and posters contributing may be trying to understand why a character they may like in that show has been fired.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, sid said:

Fucking hell this place though.

In a tweet about the Holocaust, an event we're far enough away from that people are openly denying it happened, which also noted that "history is edited", did you honestly have trouble drawing the distinction between simply objecting to someone's political views and the fact the government "made" ordinary Germans round up the Jews? Because, I don't think the folks of Germany were simply having political views, they were being antisemitic. Being anti-BLM isn't politics, it's straight up racism, however people suggest otherwise.

 

Anyway, if you did, I apologise for my ranting. Happy to stop shitting up people's enjoyment of sci-fi and can take it to

 

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@Waggo as a mod I come across some posters more than others who are quick to jump in with controversial opinions and then back peddle with the 'well I didn't know that/you can't say anything round here' defense. So that does influence how much credence I give to such posts. However I genuinely wouldn't want anyone to feel they aren't able to post. I do think there's some common sense needed though, that if a subject being debated involves particularly sensitive subjects, eg race, religion, disability, etc that people should be prepared to either research their point or read some of the discussion first before taking a contrary stance. Its one thing to come in with an open mind, another to essentially start with 'i disagree' or 'i don't see what the fuss is about'. The recent BLM debates were a really good example of that, with lots of explanations as to why certain things were offensive, and what the first hand experience is like, with short shrift given to people who came into the debates with nothing more than  'I'm used to having an platform for my opinion so I'm going to share it here' when they had no relevant experience or knowledge to contribute. 

 

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40 minutes ago, velma said:

@Waggo as a mod I come across some posters more than others who are quick to jump in with controversial opinions and then back peddle with the 'well I didn't know that/you can't say anything round here' defense. So that does influence how much credence I give to such posts. However I genuinely wouldn't want anyone to feel they aren't able to post. I do think there's some common sense needed though, that if a subject being debated involves particularly sensitive subjects, eg race, religion, disability, etc that people should be prepared to either research their point or read some of the discussion first before taking a contrary stance. Its one thing to come in with an open mind, another to essentially start with 'i disagree' or 'i don't see what the fuss is about'. The recent BLM debates were a really good example of that, with lots of explanations as to why certain things were offensive, and what the first hand experience is like, with short shrift given to people who came into the debates with nothing more than  'I'm used to having an platform for my opinion so I'm going to share it here' when they had no relevant experience or knowledge to contribute. 

 

 

Fair enough.  I don't have any prior experience with Sid as a poster to understand the full context. 

 

It just looked to me from the outside that he had made a post about something he had little understanding of, attempted to backtrack and got jumped all over for doing so.

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4 minutes ago, Waggo said:

 

Fair enough.  I don't have any prior experience with Sid as a poster to understand the full context. 

 

It just looked to me from the outside that he had made a post about something he had little understanding of, attempted to backtrack and got jumped all over for doing so.

It's a common tactic used by people who tend to only offer toxicity to a conversation. They throw out a bit of bait, see which kind of fish bites then either double down or backtrack, feigning ignorance if the latter is their next step. They know full-well what they're doing.

 

I read earlier that after her comments about pronouns Pedro Pascal had a chat with her about why her comments were harmful, that she didn't see that as an opportunity to consider other opinions she has before taking to social media to spout them shows her lack of intelligence.

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 A shame as I quite liked her character. I'm not sure if she was being anti-Semitic or intentionally anti-Semitic but any decent adult should recognise that the comparison she was using was completely insensitive.

 

Freedom of speech is obviously something everyone has a right to but it doesn't mean that you have to be an arse to boot. I'm sure she could have voiced her opinions on the matter without the insensitive comments/comparisons to one of the worse atrocities we humans have ever committed.

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She's been in Hollywood for what, ten years? And had a social media presence for say five years? A Disney employee for two years?

 

There's nobody that stupid that they would not have been very acutely aware of the risk of saying or promoting anything that even is a teeny tiny bit possibly anti-Semitic. Thus she must be very oppositional independent of whatever her political inclinations are.

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2 hours ago, Steve McQueef said:

Someone's very salty about this.

 


I’m awaiting Ben Shapiro’s take on this.

 

Or rather Sam Seder’s or Hasan piker’s analysis of Shabibo’s response cos I don’t want to give him views...

 

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It’s a shame she is such a shitty person because it was nice to see a strong muscular woman on a tv show. We do need more diversity in body types so hopefully they replace her with another similar character.


But it does seem that toxic views are widespread in the UFC/fitness world.

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Also not sure how it is cancel culture.

 

She can still post her hateful shite whether it be anti-vax, transphobic, holocaust denial or anything she fancies. She can still express herself on many platforms. That is her perogative.

 

But employers might look at her opinions and think they don't want to be within 10 miles of them - that is their perogative.

 

If you call that cancel culture then you are just being a snowflake about it.

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5 hours ago, sid said:


Ok thanks I can see that point.... when anything at all compared to the Holocaust can undermine it in any way you can’t use therefore it as an example. Even if in itself the comparison is not specifically anti Semitic. Understood thanks....every days a school day and all that.
 

Fucking hell this place though.

Jesus wept what a shit fucking hill to die on. 
 

I hope your 19 and just trolling and being the edgiest of egdelords that you could possibly be. 
 

Otherwise wtf are you talking about...
 

 

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