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Star Wars: Andor

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Just now, FishyFish said:

It will be interesting to see how this series portrays stormtroopers. It will be interesting (if contravening the usual) if they are shown to be professional and competent soldiers, rather than the somewhat amateur, bad-at-shooting cannon fodder they are often portrayed as.

They've been used sparingly but to good effect so far. Certainly not cannon fodder.

 

I think this show could actually make incredibly good use of force users, as long as they weren't overused. Someone like Vader could be absolutely terrifying in this context, if handled well.

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Perhaps it could be explained by stormtroopers being genuinely elite soldiers in this time period but after the events of this series there was a massive conscription drive leading to a load of untrained and unmotivated men getting given the armour.

 

It doesn't help that Rebels season 1 is set at the same time as Andor yet has the most incompetent stormtroopers ever seen. But that's an animated show for kids.

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Storm Troopers were always shown to be fairly competent when dealing with rank & file threats in Star Wars & TESB though.  See the assaults on the Tantive iv & Echo Base on Hoth.  The ordinary Tie Pilots & Laser Gunners (Not Vader) were shown to have taken down most of the Rebel fighters attacking the Death Star.

 

Yes they struggled against the heroes but they were a Force User & two top ranked smugglers.

 

Then it all went tits up in ROTJ with The Ewoks!!!!

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10 hours ago, Steve McQueef said:

I'd like to see the war against The Empire going forward, through the same prism as Andor. 

 

No space wizards and laser-swords, just normal people on both sides of the conflict, struggling to survive. 


Does that sound boring? 

 

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The idea of a cyborg sith lord swinging a lightsaber about in this universe, seems no more plausible than Superman popping in Hollyoaks. 


I don’t think Gilroy’s way of doing things have no space for Jedi or the force.  As you say, it can just be from the same prism, the Jedi, Vader etc are thing 99.99% of people in the galaxy would only hear rumours about, something people pin their hope and faith on.  And if you see them, even from a distance it should feel incredible.  We saw a bit of that with Donnie Yen in Rogue One.

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The thing with Jedi, and the mistake I think has been made since Disney took over is that Jedi should be RARE. There hardly any of them anywhere and they are a massive deal. Vader turns up in rogue one and is totally terrifying - that’s the way it should be. But everything has always been space magic westerns and high fantasy - when a massive galactic struggle in space against a fascist regime should be hard sci fi. This programme totally gets that. Soooo good. 
 

still loved the last episodes of Obi Wan tho.  So weasht.

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11 hours ago, scottcr said:

This is the best Star Wars has been since Empire. Grounded. Feels real. Proper people. Little space magic. And totally oppressive fascist empire. 
 

episode 8 was proper hard sci fi. 

I’m watching Empire right now, and as I’m watching it, for like the millionth time, I’m reminded how the empire came to be, how the rebel alliance was formed etc. all fleshed out in Andor, and it’s incredible the gravitas it adds to the film. That’s some achievement and pretty much all I have ever wanted, and always the way the story should have expanded. 
 

Empire is my all time favourite film, and we’ve waited a long time for something to come along and do it justice. 
 

I really, really hope, now that the Skywalker story is done, is that whoever is storyboarding the next mainline film takes their inspiration from Andor. It could be immense. 

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20 hours ago, Pob said:

Perhaps it could be explained by stormtroopers being genuinely elite soldiers in this time period but after the events of this series there was a massive conscription drive leading to a load of untrained and unmotivated men getting given the armour.

 

It doesn't help that Rebels season 1 is set at the same time as Andor yet has the most incompetent stormtroopers ever seen. But that's an animated show for kids.

Lothal used as first assignment.  If you survive that you get bumped up. 

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Tony Gilroy must really hate Star Wars I reckon. A party on Coruscant hosted by a senator trying to curry favour with other senators and not a single alien among them. It just give me all humans are racist vibes- not inviting aliens to parties, and the human politicians trying to divvy up the resources among the human worlds ;)

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33 minutes ago, drmick said:

Tony Gilroy must really hate Star Wars I reckon. A party on Coruscant hosted by a senator trying to curry favour with other senators and not a single alien among them. It just give me all humans are racist vibes- not inviting aliens to parties, and the human politicians trying to divvy up the resources among the human worlds ;)

There were aliens at the party though. 

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3 minutes ago, drmick said:

 

Some of her best friends are aliens you know.

 

(I honestly didn't see one. Nor at the prison either).

No there were definitely aliens at the party. I think canonically aliens are treated poorly by the empire so it makes sense that there would be less of them at a high society party. It would also make sense that the non humans are possibly sent to even worse prisons around the galaxy. 

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On 26/10/2022 at 20:36, Thor said:

This is fantastic dystopian Sci-fi. 

 

On 26/10/2022 at 21:09, Thor said:

THX 1138 is what sprang to mind for me. :)

 

On 27/10/2022 at 00:34, Benny said:

Did feel like it was a real homage to

 

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THX 1138. Which is quite fitting considering who made that film.

 


This was my first thought too. I can just imagine the production meeting about this episode. “What would a futuristic prison look like before Star Wars, if it was dreamt up by George Lucas?” “Like the futuristic prison he dreamt up before Star Wars?”

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I really want to know what the parts the prisoners were making were!

 

 

The attention to detail that’s been shown up to now makes me feel sure they must be off an AT-AT or something.

 

 

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One thing that bugged me a bit, was that on Andor’s first shift it was heavily implied that his group were going to get fried for being last, but we never saw it happen. Someone even said “tough ride, getting fried twice on your first day” or words to that effect. But it wasn’t clear whether it actually happened?

 

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2 minutes ago, Pistol said:

I really want to know what the parts the prisoners were making were!

 

 

The attention to detail that’s been shown up to now makes me feel sure they must be off an AT-AT or something.

 

 

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One thing that bugged me a bit, was that on Andor’s first shift it was heavily implied that his group were going to get fried for being last, but we never saw it happen. Someone even said “tough ride, getting fried twice on your first day” or words to that effect. But it wasn’t clear whether it actually happened?

 

 

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Surely that is very clear from the dialogue? It happened because a character references that it did. It's in keeping with the way the show provides detail exceptionally well through non literal or implied narrative means.

 

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Regarding the humans significantly outnumbering the 'aliens' and allusions to racism. Saw Gererra also commented with distain that amongst the variety of fellow travelers within the rebellion movement there were 'Human Cultists' which I read to be an explicit human supremacist faction. Along with the other perhaps less savory groups, it makes the rebels a lot more interesting.

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16 hours ago, hub2 said:

Regarding the humans significantly outnumbering the 'aliens' and allusions to racism. Saw Gererra also commented with distain that amongst the variety of fellow travelers within the rebellion movement there were 'Human Cultists' which I read to be an explicit human supremacist faction. Along with the other perhaps less savory groups, it makes the rebels a lot more interesting.

When do we see our first non human in the Rebel Alliance in the original trilogy? 

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