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I wasn't too hot on the proto-rebel bits but I loved all the scenes in the ISB and with Mon Monthma. I like that the show is fleshing out some details of the politics of the era.: the references to the disparate resistance cells, how the ISB chief views their mission, how Mothma operated without losing her place on the Senate etc. It still looks and sounds a league above the other SW shows. The sequence where the

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disgraced corpo descends into the depths of Coruscant to visit his mum was superb. A different feel for Star Wars, but a very welcome one.

 

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This for me is by far the best Star Wars TV series so far. I had started to lose hope and was just watching them all out of duty more than anything. I love how for once, they have expanded the universe (no desert planet yet thank fuck).

 

It does feel Star Wars to me. Just a dank street level Star Wars we haven't seen yet.

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Up to Episode 4, still good.  I've been really impressed with how successfully they've transitioned his world and not return to the planet we saw in the first episodes (in this case, nobody wants to "go back to Jakku").

 

Andor's recruitment speech was also poignant given where the character ends up.

 

I've enjoyed seeing behind the scenes of Coruscant politics. 

 

Skarsgård as a broiling, but controlled, insurrectionist hiding in plain sight as a effete antiquing space ponce is a good a turn as McDiarmid when he's all "a surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one" nice Palatine.  

 

Props to the portrayal of Mon Monthma as well.  Her husband needs to go out of a airlock.

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Just to add - this is SO good.  Feels *real* - and the characters aren't black and white.  It's a war and there's people thinking they're doing the right thing on both sides.  

 

Space Dale Cooper going back home was a great little scene.

 

 

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I mentioned it before in this thread, but I'm enjoying the prospect of seeing people living in the time of the Empire who are doing well or just wilfully oblivious to the oppression. Not evil, just not personally affected so happy to look the other way. Mon Mothma's husband filled that role in this episode, bleating about her doom and gloom, and wanting her to lighten up. What's she doing with such a pillock anyway?

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29 minutes ago, Pob said:

I mentioned it before in this thread, but I'm enjoying the prospect of seeing people living in the time of the Empire who are doing well or just wilfully oblivious to the oppression. Not evil, just not personally affected so happy to look the other way. Mon Mothma's husband filled that role in this episode, bleating about her doom and gloom, and wanting her to lighten up. What's she doing with such a pillock anyway?

I took him to be her PA/butler, not husband. 

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On 28/09/2022 at 14:08, Thor said:

The actress playing ... 

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... Mon Mothma is excellent. She really sells the tension and feeling of being spied on by anyone and everyone. 

Was a good episode. 


You might know this already, and it’s probably not a spoiler but I’ll box it just in case. 
 

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Genevieve O’Reilly played a young Mon Mothma in a deleted scene from one of the prequels (I think it was AOTC but might have been ROTS), and she then got the part in Rogue One because of that. I assume that was Gareth Edwards idea. 


Anyway I agree, she’s really good in this. I’m loving this series so far, it’s miles better than any other Star Wars TV. 
 

 

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2 hours ago, Vulgar Monkey said:

A good sign that this was a rare occasion where I get caught out by the credits rolling unexpectedly and am like 'AHHHH'.

Really keen to see where this goes.


I did the same.  I’m loving this.

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4 hours ago, Thor said:

Oooh, if she said that in the shop I may have missed that. 

 

Yeah, definitely husband. That relationship is familiar from various shows/war movies, where

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someone with the inside track on the regime starts to doubt it, but the partner is totally wrapped up in the glamour of being in the in-crowd. Donovan’s mother and step-father in the original V miniseries springs to mind

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Mothma’s husband dobs her in at some point and she has to go on the run.

 

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On 29/09/2022 at 10:40, Bazjam said:

This for me is by far the best Star Wars TV series so far. I had started to lose hope and was just watching them all out of duty more than anything. I love how for once, they have expanded the universe (no desert planet yet thank fuck).

 

It does feel Star Wars to me. Just a dank street level Star Wars we haven't seen yet.


Same. I love the tone of this and it helps tremendously that they shot on real locations where possible. There's already so many good character moments and dialogue in it and having Skarsgård in it automatically classes up the joint in a big way. Really love seeing the dynamics of the ISB as well, old Qyburn in particular is shaping up to be a compelling character.

Easily the best Star Wars TV so far and I hope The Acolyte (which is the most interesting sounding one for me) will be this good.

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I wasn’t that excited by the idea of an Andor series, but so far this has been amazing! 
 

I particularly liked the 

 

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space park and ride  in episode 3 


And the use of brutalist architecture, which seems perfect for the Empire

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I wasn’t overly gripped with the first episode but definitely agree that the first two are there to set the scene because episode 3 was exceptional. 
 

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What I loved about the whole security incursion is that it manages to make you empathise with every side of the conflict at hand, even the ostensible baddies - you feel almost as tense for them as things spiral out of control as you do for Cassian and Skarsgaard.

 

Partly because you know that if it did properly kick off then it would be a bloodbath for the civilians on the planet down the line.

 

I also love that you don’t even see the Empire in those first three episodes. 

 

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18 hours ago, Girth Certificate said:

 

 

This show is great, Skarsgård is killing it. Someone yesterday was all like 'ahh I hate him he's always so dour' and I'm all like 'you fanny'.

 

Skarsgård is easily the best thing about it, watching him acting across anyone else just shows the gulf in skill. 

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2 hours ago, SpagMasterSwift said:

Using a glued together model rather than the traditional hologram to show the plan of attack felt very apt for this show.

 

That felt so massively not Star Wars but as a result I kind of loved it. It was so weird in this context it was endearing.

 

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Same with the security guy coming home to his mum, and her neighbour rubbernecking from across the council estate. Just weird and dull and odd and not Star Wars-like all through it, but relatable and "normal" if it was literally any other show. I'm enjoying it just for how strange it all feels even if it's probably going to piss off fans no end :lol:

 

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On 21/09/2022 at 21:43, JoeK said:

To be honest, I actually don't think it's good Star Wars but I do think it's good TV! I certainly like the general mood that's going on in this early on, although the flashbacks to Andor's past reminded me of the terrible, terrible children in Mad Max Beyond the Thunderdome.

 

I'm yet to work out just why I should be rooting for Andor though. He came across as a bit of a fuck-up in Rogue One, and my thoughts have not changed.

 

So, in essence it's good enough for me to be invested in seeing where it's going to go, yet I feel it's so far removed from what I personally like in Star Wars that I kind of wish they'd been brave enough to release this as a tale in some new universe without any baggage whatsoever.

 

 

This is exactly what I thought after watching the first episode. It didn’t feel like it needed to be tied to Star Wars at all, because tonally and thematically, it isn’t. 
 

What it is is great though. 
 

The shift to imperial Coruscant, neé Nazi Berlin, and the Scottish highlands, have marked a real shift again from the Troubles-era Northern Ireland of the first episodes. The locations are just fantastic, aren’t they? 
 

I’m not yet convinced that the characters are developing towards anything, but the cast are brilliant and extremely watchable. 
 

I like that the Empire here are fully moulded after the Nazis, in particular the scenes at the ISB, where Hannah Arendt’s ‘banality of evil’ concept is given full voice. The way the corpo deputy inspector, given some authority, takes it and uses it to put a chokehold on the people of space Northern Ireland was all too believable. 

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13 minutes ago, Popo said:

This is exactly what I thought after watching the first episode. It didn’t feel like it needed to be tied to Star Wars at all, because tonally and thematically, it isn’t. 
 

What it is is great though. 
 

The shift to imperial Coruscant, neé Nazi Berlin, and the Scottish highlands, have marked a real shift again from the Troubles-era Northern Ireland of the first episodes. The locations are just fantastic, aren’t they? 
 

I’m not yet convinced that the characters are developing towards anything, but the cast are brilliant and extremely watchable. 


Andor definitely starts Rogue One as the shady side of the Rebellion that they don’t talk about; that need for people who are prepared to do what’s necessary. I guess his redemption moment is halfway through, where he makes the decision not to follow through on his orders to assassinate Galen Erso.

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