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46 minutes ago, Schnibbles said:

 

Chthonic Vitality. I've never found its alternative (Dark Regeneration) to be any good, especially as it requires you to pick Darkness rewards which you won't bother with later on.

It does give you a good heal after bosses though (presuming you're not on a new heat level). 

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37 minutes ago, robdood said:

It does give you a good heal after bosses though (presuming you're not on a new heat level). 

 

That's pretty much why I go with it for now, as I've got as far as Redacted with most of the weapons now so it's good for the health bonus. That said, it's only the Elysium fight that gives me trouble generally, although there's a variant of the second fight that is a pain in the arse (fucking homing missiles at speed? Argh), so I can often get there with a decent amount of health and all of my Death Defiances.

 

Is there some kind of special trigger for giving nectar to your kin who helps you out from time to time in chambers? Every time, he just buggers off immediately after I talk to him but there's no prompt to gift so I'm a bit clueless as to what to do (and not helped by the RNG in whether you actually meet him).

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Thanatos is sometimes back at the ranch - he's not much more chatty then either, but you can give him nectar.

 

46 minutes ago, robdood said:

It does give you a good heal after bosses though (presuming you're not on a new heat level). 

 

But then doesn't that amount to 'you get a good heal when you're doing something you've already managed'? You already get healed in the fountain after bosses (can't remember if that was an upgrade or not!).

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5 minutes ago, Schnibbles said:

Thanatos is sometimes back at the ranch - he's not much more chatty then either, but you can give him nectar.

 

 

But then doesn't that amount to 'you get a good heal when you're doing something you've already managed'? You already get healed in the fountain after bosses (can't remember if that was an upgrade or not!).

It's been ages since I was mad into this game, but from memory the fountain's heal is pretty meagre, I definitely had more than one life saved by a big fat blob of darkness dropping after beating a boss! 

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Mentioned this before, but charm is great for bosses (especially redacted). It doesn't actually charm them (well it does, but only for a brief second) so you'd think it's crap but what it also does is interrupt their horrible attacks. Even the lowest level call does this, and it charges so quickly. Life saver!

 

(There's also a boon that adds a random charm effect to attack. This is amazing)

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Yeah, I use charm as a call a fair amount (equal to Poseidon's excellent call) - but I don't use the lower versions, I just use the Greater Call during boss battles - which, for example, will more or less instantly kill the final phase of the Hydra. I don't think I have the reaction speeds to use it to interrupt attacks.

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1 hour ago, Schnibbles said:

Thanatos is sometimes back at the ranch - he's not much more chatty then either, but you can give him nectar.

 

 

But then doesn't that amount to 'you get a good heal when you're doing something you've already managed'? You already get healed in the fountain after bosses (can't remember if that was an upgrade or not!).

It's also the heal you get from treasure troves (it's turns the darkness one's into a chunky heal), the tinge of erebus from charons well is a cheap little heal, miniboss rooms with a darkness rewards will give a little heal too. It can be very handy. 

 

In comparison, +3 hp each room doesn't go very far when you have 300hp and are down 200 odd.

 

Its horses for courses though. When running the hidden spear aspect, this is really good. And if you are good at clearing rooms without taking damage, this can be good for topping up health.

 

Similar to how in late game, stubborn defiance becomes a bit more useful than dark defiance, as you've learned the boss patterns enough that you tend not to get battered and need multiple revives, but some normal Chambers can be a problem and having a revive available in every chamber can be super helpful. 

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15 minutes ago, Polmon said:

Similar to how in late game, stubborn defiance becomes a bit more useful than dark defiance, as you've learned the boss patterns enough that you tend not to get battered and need multiple revives, but some normal Chambers can be a problem and having a revive available in every chamber can be super helpful. 

 

Speak for yourself, you skilful git! I generally get to T&A, get battered depending on how extreme their measures are (maximum Extreme Measures was amazingly unfair) then replenish all my defiances at the Charon's Wells in Styx, then get wiped out a couple of times by Redacted. 

 

That's just reminded me of how much I hate Satyrs. God, I hate satyrs. 

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Yeah, Satyrs can get to fuck. I've gotten to Styx with all my Death Defiances intact, gotten absolutely battered by the Satyrs (especially the time where I had to do all the fucking tunnels to get the snack for Zag's buddy) and then died to Redacted.

 

That said, I'm getting better at reading and dodging Redacted's attacks. Last night I started the fight with the Twin Fists at full health (I had 300 health mind you, so that was good) and all my Death Defiances, and managed to get through the first phase without taking too much damage and then only used up one Death Defiance in the second phase, so that's my second escape completed, woo!

 

On reading some of the discussion above, I decided to try using the +3HP/chamber thing and I'm regretting it now as I'm going into Elysium with about 20HP and I'm going to get battered by T&A (:eyebrows:). Still, I've got Ares's blade rift cast at Lvl 3 plus Black Metal, so maybe I'll be okay. There's supposed to be a Duo with Artemis that makes the Blade Rifts lethal (something that makes them home in on enemies?) but I doubt my luck will run that far lol.

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Had my first EM4 clear earlier. Basically a perfect run with the hidden bow aspect, all the exact boons I wanted. Lovely. Just did another EM4 run and got to redacted again, and was all tooled up with a stack of 3 death defiance read to go, got them down to 1/3 of their health, then the game crashed. 

 

Loading back up and I'm back at the house of hades like the run never happened :(

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Just got this on Saturday as a birthday present (on PS5) and had maybe 7 runs so far. One great run where I took the shield and got to a fight with [Redacted] (and was swiftly annihilated) but had been going great guns to that point.

 

Really enjoying it so far. And giving out Nectar willy-nilly to all.

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I'm reaching the end now too, 1 trophy left (Thanks, but no thanks) and one prophecy left. I haven't done a 32 heat run yet (or a no boon run), and my codex is almost full too (although I'm missing the last fish, and one item from the artifacts tab). 

 

I'll be sad when this is over as its one of the best games ever. 

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After defeating the Bone Hydra on our first meeting with a pretty solid Shield run, it defeated me the next two times (mostly because of complacency on my part.) So I was quite happy to kill it for a second time (with the Bow, which I don't enjoy but seem to do OK with.)

 

And I had a replacement come in and take Megaera's place for the first time. Not sure if that's a permanent change or an occasional thing.

 

I am very much enjoying this!

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Mechanically, I have to admit that I prefer Curse of the Dead Gods, but in terms of story-telling and voice acting (of which CotDG has practically zero), Hades is amazing and inspires to keep on playing to see what happens next*, even with the bow which I absolutely hate - I still haven't managed to escape with it, despite reaching Styx with 3 Death Defiances and then leaving with only 1 because I had to go through all of the Satyr tunnels and didn't get a single Well of Charon offering me a Kiss of the Styx. Meh.


* Just how much dialogue was recorded for this game? It seems like it's on a par with a RPG like Mass Effect but perhaps that's overstating things.

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Heh, not just me then.

 

The best I've managed was to pick the right tunnel second, but pf course it happened when I had plenty of health and wanted to find a Well of Charon to replenish a Death Defiance. Generally though, if I've got sufficient health and decent boons but I'm having trouble with the armoured Satyr who spit (or is it a blowpipe?) those poison darts at you, then I tend to just go on to the fight since I won't get any lost health back and I'd rather fight Redacted with as close to full health as possible.

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I found Poseidon's dash boon (Tidal Dash) to be really good for clearing the Temple of Styx rooms, especially with Typhoon's Fury, which does extra damage for slamming foes against a wall. One time I also had Second Wave, which slams them a second time.

 

I don't think it's possible to get the Satyr Sack 1st time (I think I got that from watching a 'devs react to speed run' type video).  It's always the 2nd or 3rd path.

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46 minutes ago, Dapple said:

I don't think it's possible to get the Satyr Sack 1st time (I think I got that from watching a 'devs react to speed run' type video).  It's always the 2nd or 3rd path.

 

I could have sworn I got through first time during my playthrough on the Switch.  Although my memory these days is so bad, I could be imagining it!

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I haven't played this in months but picked it up again last night... Several hours later and I couldn't stop playing all over again, and I was still uncovering new dialogue. I've already played for hundreds of hours!

 

This is I think up there with the all time greatest games ever in all honesty. It's just one of the most polished games ever made.

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