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On 24/08/2021 at 22:58, strider said:

Just watched this and can’t get my head around it. Felt very disjointed with really bad pacing issues.

I’ve never seen Harley Quinn in anything before, is she an idiot in the comics as well?

 
Bit late replying to this but ah well….

 

Harley, when she’s written well, is really good.  I mean, that’s true for anyone I guess, but as you’ve put about her being an idiot, if she’s not done well, she can come across as an annoying bimbo trying to be funny.  Part of the problem is that the stuff that can make her interesting is hard to write well (mainly her abusive relationship with the Joker, but there’s other stuff too), and sometimes writers have gone to all in with the “sexy psycho chick” as her predominant feature.

 

The first Suicide Squad hinted at some of this, but didn’t really pull the trigger.  Rumours were the plan was to have a solo Harley film all along to go into it, but that became Birds Of Prey which (by Robbies wishes) shared focus with Canary/Huntress/Cop woman who’s name escapes me now, and that didn’t really go as much into Harleys story as I’d have hoped.  The general backstory is that she was a young psychologist who no one took seriously, which pushed her to try and “crack” the Joker while he was at Arkham.  Most stories have Joker then manipulating her to help him escape, but in doing so she becomes infatuated with him.  The first film has a blink and you’ll miss it hint that she actually managed to get through to him in ways that other doctors didn’t and it freaked him out.  There’s a really bad take on this in one comic that got panned where she’s basically not very good, but slept with doctors to progress, and has always been basically a bit “crazy”.  I’m convinced though that part of that comes from there being a surprising number of people who fetishise the Joker/Harley relationship.  One guy I worked with constantly used to talk about “finding his Harley”, and when he was in relationships compared him/her to the pair.  Perhaps unsurprisingly I found out a bit ago (haven’t worked with him for a couple of years) that he’s still single and one of his ex’s has a restraining order against him and several have warned other women to stay away.

 

Id like to see a good Harley story on screen.  There are some good ones out there - I like some of her Injustice arc, some of the stories with her and Poison Ivy are good too.  And if they went into some of the joker stuff, which could be pretty dark, I think Robbie could pull it off no problem.

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I thought this would be good fun but it was absolutely terrible. 

Rubbish story, rubbish characters, really unnecessarily violent in quite a sick way. The whole thing has a really unfunny, adolescent style of humour running through it. 

I absolutely hated it. 

 

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1 hour ago, George Clooney said:

There’s a really bad take on this in one comic that got panned where she’s basically not very good, but slept with doctors to progress, and has always been basically a bit “crazy”.

 

That was in Dini & Timm's Mad Love, the very first telling of her origin story:

 

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Apart from that one detail, it's otherwise generally thought of as a great Batman comic.

 

That image is from this Scans Daily page - the last few comments at the bottom of the page are from other people who dislike the idea that she was a bad student who seduced her way to good grades:

 

https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/8028318.html

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8 hours ago, George Clooney said:

 
Bit late replying to this but ah well….

 

Harley, when she’s written well, is really good.  I mean, that’s true for anyone I guess, but as you’ve put about her being an idiot, if she’s not done well, she can come across as an annoying bimbo trying to be funny.  Part of the problem is that the stuff that can make her interesting is hard to write well (mainly her abusive relationship with the Joker, but there’s other stuff too), and sometimes writers have gone to all in with the “sexy psycho chick” as her predominant feature.

 

The first Suicide Squad hinted at some of this, but didn’t really pull the trigger.  Rumours were the plan was to have a solo Harley film all along to go into it, but that became Birds Of Prey which (by Robbies wishes) shared focus with Canary/Huntress/Cop woman who’s name escapes me now, and that didn’t really go as much into Harleys story as I’d have hoped.  The general backstory is that she was a young psychologist who no one took seriously, which pushed her to try and “crack” the Joker while he was at Arkham.  Most stories have Joker then manipulating her to help him escape, but in doing so she becomes infatuated with him.  The first film has a blink and you’ll miss it hint that she actually managed to get through to him in ways that other doctors didn’t and it freaked him out.  There’s a really bad take on this in one comic that got panned where she’s basically not very good, but slept with doctors to progress, and has always been basically a bit “crazy”.  I’m convinced though that part of that comes from there being a surprising number of people who fetishise the Joker/Harley relationship.  One guy I worked with constantly used to talk about “finding his Harley”, and when he was in relationships compared him/her to the pair.  Perhaps unsurprisingly I found out a bit ago (haven’t worked with him for a couple of years) that he’s still single and one of his ex’s has a restraining order against him and several have warned other women to stay away.

 

Id like to see a good Harley story on screen.  There are some good ones out there - I like some of her Injustice arc, some of the stories with her and Poison Ivy are good too.  And if they went into some of the joker stuff, which could be pretty dark, I think Robbie could pull it off no problem.

Thanks for taking the time to reply to this. I’ve been told similar stuff by a few other people/friends so it sounds like the are far more interesting versions of her to read about.

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12 hours ago, Nick R said:

 

That was in Dini & Timm's Mad Love, the very first telling of her origin story:

 

RCO012_1466063383.thumb.jpg.674b82b1329ba4ae9afe09bed14015a1.jpg

 

Apart from that one detail, it's otherwise generally thought of as a great Batman comic.

 

That image is from this Scans Daily page - the last few comments at the bottom of the page are from other people who dislike the idea that she was a bad student who seduced her way to good grades:

 

https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/8028318.html


Theres a newer one (though for the life of me I can’t find what it is, to the point I’m half thinking I imagined it. Or it was fan made) where she slept her way into Arkham Asylum and they leant into the idea that she’s always been bad and “crazy”, and used her looks and a kooky dumb persona to disarm people.  In that version, she’s not damaged by Joker, it’s something she gets off on.  There was definitely a lot more overt sexualised stuff in it about her. Mad love is mostly a good story, though I do dislike the above panel too.  At the time though I don’t think she was that well developed, and still mostly played as a comedy sidekick and I can kind of see why they went that way there, but I prefer how it’s evolved since.

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On 02/01/2022 at 09:39, JamesC said:

I thought this would be good fun but it was absolutely terrible. 

Rubbish story, rubbish characters, really unnecessarily violent in quite a sick way. The whole thing has a really unfunny, adolescent style of humour running through it. 

I absolutely hated it. 

 

Just watched this. I’ve got a lot of time for James Gunn’s sense of humour and style. Also love his musical taste! (Never thought I’d hear one of my favourite Pixies songs in a big Hollywood movie.) However, I’d agree on the violence. The blood and gore is a bit too ‘realistic’ for my liking as well

as the violence pretty visceral, and I think is what makes a lot of it a bit jarring tonally.
 

it’s a shame as there were some good characters, set pieces and it looked spectacular at times.  It felt a bit like Guardians with gore but wasn’t a patch on it. Perhaps it’s a bit unfair to compare but it’s inevitable given the similarities. 

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