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5 minutes ago, Count Buffalos said:

I’m sort of tempted to try Raceroom again - has anyone played it recently?

 

Planning to. It's apparently had a big update so I'm curious.

I've also adjusted the graphical options in Dirt Rally again to suit my upgraded laptop specs. Ordered a 500GB M.2 SSD in order to move away from the HDD in favour of faster loading speeds. DR now runs at 1440p60 at mostly high settings. Delightful!

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6 minutes ago, SneakyNinja said:

 

Yep, that's me at the moment too. I'm just not improving any more, and the motivation to always finish 4/5th is sliding away.  I can't spend the many hours needed to improve, so any practice I do just reinforces my negativity towards it. Oh good, only x seconds off the pace... still.

 

But I love the heat of battle and going wheel to wheel on track, so maybe I'll just bin practice, accept a lower starting position and enjoy the racing..

 

I've come to terms with never winning a race ever against you lot. Instead I'm looking for scraps with you guys for position (cleanly) as I love doing that. As long as I don't drive around the track in no-man's land, everything's fine. I hate driving around in no-man's land.

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4 minutes ago, Count Buffalos said:

I’m sort of tempted to try Raceroom again - has anyone played it recently?

 

Yeah, if you check out the sim racing central thread we were discussing it recently.  @SharkyOB and I had a few ranked races.  They overhauled the force feedback model and it definitely feels better :)

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4 minutes ago, davejm said:

 

Yeah, if you check out the sim racing central thread we were discussing it recently.  @SharkyOB and I had a few ranked races.  They overhauled the force feedback model and it definitely feels better :)

 

And they've just started a summer sale on the content, with tracks and cars all being 50% off.  As always with RR, buy the points first at a discounted rate here:

 

https://www.raceroomstore.com/shop_en/list_page?cat=24

 

Then buy the content on the main site using the points.

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18 minutes ago, SneakyNinja said:

Actually, there's a rather poor bug - when you start in VR your viewpoint is miles above the screen so it looks like everything is black until you look down and see a postage stamp screen way down below you. Resetting the VR view fixes it, but for a while I thought it was properly broken.

 

That seems to be a pretty standard issue in most VR games, I always have to reset the view on start-up.  The camera is definitely way more out of position in RR, but I sometimes start above the garage in ACC so it's not confined to that one game.

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Sounds like Laguna Seca is the full wobbly slidey BMW experience for everyone :D

 

I have only turned a couple of laps so far. Never raced on this track and I've only driven it before in AC and iRacing practice a bit. I dont like it but its more fun than Zandvoort. :) Its been so hot for so long that I dont even want to drive before midnight...

 

 

25 minutes ago, SneakyNinja said:

 

Yep, that's me at the moment too. I'm just not improving any more, and the motivation to always finish 4/5th is sliding away.  I can't spend the many hours needed to improve, so any practice I do just reinforces my negativity towards it. Oh good, only x seconds off the pace... still.

 

But I love the heat of battle and going wheel to wheel on track, so maybe I'll just bin practice, accept a lower starting position and enjoy the racing..

 

I think gaps are still pretty small in a typical dry race. Even if you would be unable to benefit from faster guys crashing out or having other issues, sometimes things just click together and one can find that missing half a second and be up there in pace.

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Sorry for bringing a bit of negativity into the thread folks!  I know the racing will still be great tomorrow and I'll probably rediscover my motivation next week.  I think I'm just not feeling it because I don't particularly like Laguna Seca and I'm really enjoying driving older cars in Assetto Corsa at the moment.

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44 minutes ago, Count Buffalos said:

I’m sort of tempted to try Raceroom again - has anyone played it recently?

 

Not yet but it sounds somewhat enticing. I've only heard good things about the new FFB but the old one wasn't so brilliant either. And a good ranked system with easy drop-in races without the cost of a kidney always gets my attention (💸 iRacing 💸). 

 

18 minutes ago, SharkyOB said:

Sorry for bringing a bit of negativity into the thread folks!  I know the racing will still be great tomorrow and I'll probably rediscover my motivation next week.  I think I'm just not feeling it because I don't particularly like Laguna Seca and I'm really enjoying driving older cars in Assetto Corsa at the moment.

 

No worries man, I think we all feel similar things at various times during sim-racing. Laguna Seca is a bit of a crap track in this game even though I really like the layout. But the sliding and the extremely punishing off-tracks make it a pain to learn and practice. In my Chevy, traction off corner exit is such an issue, even more so compared to other tracks. 

 

And some nice change of pace with different cars is always good after only driving GT3s for hours on hours

 


 

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While we're on the subject, any thoughts on a format for next season?  I must admit I'm finding the switching between GT4 and GT3 quite jarring.   On one hand I like the variety, but I find the game more enjoyable when I'm really focusing and practicing with one car over a prolonged period.

 

As with previous seasons I'll add some polls to determine the structure, but some thoughts from people would be good.  Maybe two mini-seasons; GT4 then GT3 or vice versa?

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1 minute ago, SharkyOB said:

I defo think something different would be good.  Full season with one class or the other for me; don't really mind which one.

 

I share this sentiment as well.

 

What about a Porsche cup type thing?

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Just now, Meers said:

What about a Porsche cup type thing?

 

That is a great shout, really enjoyed those cars when we raced them at Bathurst.  I know they weren't loved by everyone, but that might have been the track more than the cars?!

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I might like mandatory tyre swap for longer races. It makes the pit stop length the same for everyone, allows fixing pressures if one gets them wrong at the start, fixes possible flat spots and makes undercut more powerful as coming out of pits tyres will be fresh and warmer.

 

Also longer quali sessions :D

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Just now, SharkyOB said:

 

That is a great shout, really enjoyed those cars when we raced them at Bathurst.  I know they weren't loved by everyone, but that might have been the track more than the cars?!

 

So which one will suit a Porsche cup best? GT3 or GT4? Isn't the GT3 Porker always looking for a way to unexpectedly kill you?

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1 minute ago, Meers said:

 

So which one will suit a Porsche cup best? GT3 or GT4? Isn't the GT3 Porker always looking for a way to unexpectedly kill you?

 

Porsche Cup is a car & class on its own... its closer to GT3, but it's not a GT3 or GT4.

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1 minute ago, Meers said:

 

So which one will suit a Porsche cup best? GT3 or GT4? Isn't the GT3 Porker always looking for a way to unexpectedly kill you?

 

In my opinion the Porsche lethality order from easiest to worst is 718 GT4 - 991.2 GT3 - 911 GT3 Cup - 991 GT3. Older GT3 is by far the worst even if it has traction control, unlike Cup.

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2 minutes ago, Erik said:

I might like mandatory tyre swap for longer races. It makes the pit stop length the same for everyone, allows fixing pressures if one gets them wrong at the start, fixes possible flat spots and makes undercut more powerful as coming out of pits tyres will be fresh and warmer.

 

Also longer quali sessions :D

 

We did mandatory tyre changes in the first season (or first couple, I can't recall), but switched to the way we have it now after a trial period and then a vote.  But I'd be all up for trying mandatory tyre changes again.

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19 minutes ago, davejm said:

 

Porsche Cup is a car & class on its own... its closer to GT3, but it's not a GT3 or GT4.

 

Oh yeah, there's a cup Porker in ACC...I forgot about that. :facepalm:

 

I'd welcome tyre changes as well!

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Mandatory tyre changes could be interesting! Also not into swapping cars, much prefer just picking one.

 

Some wacky ideas 👹:

- Picking the track/conditions at random just before practice on thursday? (removes the whole taxing practicing issue, I'm getting a bit fatigued about it as well)

- Every one has to pick a car they haven't used before in a rllmuk season?

- Changing cars every race? (random?) :lol: I know I just said I like picking one car, but could be fun if we know neither the car nor the track before practice. Not sure how to implement this logistically.

- High variability weather more often. That Paul Richard race comes to mind when we all pitted for dries and @Valver won heroically sticking to his wets if I remember correctly 

 

Maybe not great ideas, it might make it feel a bit more "arcadey", but just food for thought as a way to get some excitement back. Plus we often have great races when we scramble things about a bit! 

 

Edit: also up for a single car series or mini series to break it up before we go back to a more conventional format. Maybe that's what we need, just a break from the conventional format for a while and have a series of races where we do something very different, then come back to it when we get tired of the chaos 

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1 hour ago, davejm said:

While we're on the subject, any thoughts on a format for next season?  I must admit I'm finding the switching between GT4 and GT3 quite jarring.   On one hand I like the variety, but I find the game more enjoyable when I'm really focusing and practicing with one car over a prolonged period.

 

As with previous seasons I'll add some polls to determine the structure, but some thoughts from people would be good.  Maybe two mini-seasons; GT4 then GT3 or vice versa?


I am not really fond of the switching either but not fussed. I would add that I prefer the two sprint race format as it feels like there is more racing to be had - in endurance races either an error or technical issue leaves you out in no mans land and it’s not as much fun.

 

I realise that removes the pit strategy element and not trying to change your league - just an opinion from a driver that is less consistent.

 

Last night I downloaded MoTeC. This stuff is pornographic! As an engineer by trade I love data and charts and oh boy does this have some!

 

I spent hours last night tweaking suspension settings … to go 3/10ths slower!   😆 Still I had fun so that’s all that matters

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What have I started?! :D

 

I'm not really up for a non-GT3 or GT4 single car series (Porsche Cup, Lambo ST etc).  I'll happily jump in those cars for a one off race, but I don't really want to race in them over a period of time.  I don't really want to hop between cars either; for the reasons I noted before.  I'd rather just switch back to either GT3 or GT4.

 

I do like the idea of picking a new car for the new season though?!

 

I like the idea of tyre changes, and longer qualifying.

 

For weather variability; I like what we did this season with some races being fixed conditions (Spa in the rain was great); but I like the idea of having more races with higher variability! :)

 

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, winky said:


I am not really fond of the switching either but not fussed. I would add that I prefer the two sprint race format as it feels like there is more racing to be had - in endurance races either an error or technical issue leaves you out in no mans land and it’s not as much fun.

 

I realise that removes the pit strategy element and not trying to change your league - just an opinion from a driver that is less consistent.

 

Last night I downloaded MoTeC. This stuff is pornographic! As an engineer by trade I love data and charts and oh boy does this have some!

 

I spent hours last night tweaking suspension settings … to go 3/10ths slower!   😆 Still I had fun so that’s all that matters

 

I prefer the Endurance races; so I think we have the best of both worlds at the moment.  I don't like the shorter qualifying sessions that we adopted for this season's sprint races though; so that will be something we'll vote on :)

 

I spent a bit of time in Motec.  It's interesting stuff! 

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I like the idea of a one car series. Even if it's for a few races. But maybe not the porkers. My first two seasons still keep me up at night. 

We almost need a car that none of us have experience of. 

 

Now this could be a make or break idea so feel free to disregard. I get the impression that people are feeling a little staid and I get it. Day off, practice, practice. practice, prepare, race. Every week. I have nothing else to do but I get some people have lives. How about change the points races to fortnightly and if anyone wants we can try some AC, random combi's ACC, F12019, Atari ST RAC rally, whatever, for whoever in the interim week.

 

Some of the best cracks I've had since we began is when the pressure is off and we have fucked about on the off week's. Maybe even just jump on a sim gp event that week, with some others non mukkers. That was fun, just to see for myself how well we all drive (respect wise) compared to others !

 

I get people may drift off completely so like I say it's only for debate, but it might liven things up.

 

 

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I'm even more excited than ever, it's just the switching that was annoying me. 

 

Fortnightly league races might be an option; or maybe 2 weeks on, 1 week off.  Something like that.

 

As you say, the danger is that people that are here for the regular racing may drift away.  We need to be concious that we have something good going on; and there's a reason why we have nearly 20 people signed up.  The format must be working in general.  

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I guess as we hit our more-or-less max level we will naturally find our place in the order of things (I can but dream of "always finishing 4th/5th"!) and if it's going to be that week-in week-out it could get stale. It doesn't bother me yet though, I don't really care what position I'm racing for so long as I feel like I'm racing somebody. Even the weekly hotlapping gives me a bit of that. Now I'm not progressing as fast as last time and the weather tends to be better I'm not practicing as much, for sure. I'm concerned that mixing it up too much will just fragment us though, I can't see me getting into all of these different racing games at once for example.

 

I quite like the pressure of the tiny qualifying window in GT4, then again this season I've generally qualified a bit further up the grid than I deserve in both formats so what the heck it's all good to me. I also enjoy the GT4's slightly more knockabout feel - basically switching to F1 where tiny damage can end a race is what I'd hate, indulging in a bit of friendly paintwork trading is where I like to be.

 

Anyway, I've no ideas at all. I'm still just about new enough to it all that everything's fine whatever. And I'm switching cars next season no matter what the rule anyway.

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I like the idea of using a new car, I've only used 1 so far so I was thinking about switching next season anyway.

 

I have thoroughly enjoyed getting to switch between the GT3s and GT4s, maybe the season could favour the GT3 class for most races and do 1 or 2 in the GT4s spread out in the season. Or do a multiclass race for 2 events, pull names for half the field from a hat who has to drive the GT4s one week and then the other half drive them the next week, or even take a third of the field and do it over 3 races. Maybe it's a bit awkward if it's different tracks and repeating the same track may be boring.

 

This has been my first league I've joined, I really enjoy the formats as they are so won't be unhappy either if not much changes for next season.

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5 minutes ago, milko said:

I quite like the pressure of the tiny qualifying window in GT4, then again this season I've generally qualified a bit further up the grid than I deserve in both formats so what the heck it's all good to me.

 

I would like that too, but right now I feel the greatest pressure is in finding air for a clean lap in just 5 minutes, and not in trying to turn a fast lap in just 1 or 2 attempts. I think this would work much better if every car was alone on the track like in iRacing 2 lap qualifyings.

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