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4 minutes ago, Thor said:

They already have for the PS4 titles, have they not?

I'm hoping that for PS5, it'll have enough oomph to allow all previous gen titles to be downloaded and played locally. No streaming, loss of fidelity, latency issues.

Just 5 gens of PS in one massive white weird shaped box.

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50 minutes ago, footle said:


It’d be funny, but they’ve not announced anything that even sounds like quick resume. Probably because they have a relatively small SSD for 4K.

 


Haven’t they already said Miles Morales loads from scratch in under 2 seconds? With the speed of that SSD then any kind of loading is going to be quick. 

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I think PS5 might not have quick resume, at least beyond single games. A game preview leaked an “Activities” feature where you just launch to a specific race, raid, mission or whatever from a dynamically-updating list on the console home screen. Sort of a copy of the game menu that lives in the PS5 OS. That seems like a storage-light alternative for the same overall goal.

 

But they did announce ages ago that it had an ultra-low-power version of the PS5 sleep mode which seems to be just hibernating to the SSD and turning off he power. So you’ll see benefits there.

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43 minutes ago, Thor said:

They already have for the PS4 titles, have they not?


This is PSNow’s biggest problem. They marketed the heck out of it as a clout service, gave it a name that perfectly suits that, and kind of quietly added the ability to play PS4 games all-you-can-eat, I guess because it already did PS3 titles that way, and never actually communicated the change to people. It needs a rebrand and possibly a new name. 

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3 minutes ago, Alex W. said:


This is PSNow’s biggest problem. They marketed the heck out of it as a clout service, gave it a name that perfectly suits that, and kind of quietly added the ability to play PS4 games all-you-can-eat, I guess because it already did PS3 titles that way, and never actually communicated the change to people. It needs a rebrand and possibly a new name. 

You're absolutely right - Up until half an hour ago when my post about it got replies, I thought it was streaming only.

I genuinely didn't know the PS4 games on it could be downloaded and played locally.

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54 minutes ago, Stanley said:

You can download PS4 games and play them on your PS4 (and I’d imagine, PS5)as well as stream PS1,2,3 & 4. 
 

(actually I don’t there are any PS1 games, and I think PS2 could also be downloadable)

 

PS2 Classics are downloadable as they're they're effectively PS4 files (I believe they use an emulator). You're correct in thinking there aren't any PS1 games. PS3 games can only be streamed.

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I’ve never bothered with PSNow, originally because I didn’t think my internet would be good enough for the streaming and I wasn’t going to enter my credit card details to access the trial. Does Now allow you to play online on those titles that support it without PsPlus?
 

After they added downloads I would have been more interested, except I’d already bought most of the big games they were advertising. Looking at it now, there could be just as many, if not more games than Game Pass? And I know most of those are streaming only, but Sony should really be pushing it much harder. 
 

By this point I must sound like a broken record/repeating Spotify playlist, but if Sony could fold in the benefits of Plus while doing something huge like adding all their first-party PS4 games (which they aren’t making any more of so presumably have had their sales peak) they would potentially have a better service than Game Pass. 
 

I can’t see them committing to launch new first-party games on the service as that’s clearly their strength that they’d want to profit from, but maybe they could have a year to 18 month window before adding them in, which probably wouldn’t affect sales too much?

 

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5 hours ago, Stanley said:

They still not announced this? £399, £299, sticking with that. 

 

5 hours ago, Pug said:

It'll be the same price as Series X for disc drive, £449 and £299 for digital only where they can recoup with digital sales.

 

5 hours ago, Hello Goaty ♥ said:

Now that MS have played their card?

 

Come on Sony.     All Digital model  229.99   Full Fat Model £429.99

 

All three of you are smoking some seriously strong juju if you think Sony are selling an all-digital PS5 for less than £349.

 

£229?! Are you high?!!

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1 hour ago, Alex W. said:

I think PS5 might not have quick resume, at least beyond single games. A game preview leaked an “Activities” feature where you just launch to a specific race, raid, mission or whatever from a dynamically-updating list on the console home screen. Sort of a copy of the game menu that lives in the PS5 OS. That seems like a storage-light alternative for the same overall goal.

 

It's not really the same goal - "nigh on instant resume of multiple games where you left off".

 

What it is is the kind of thing that might be really good for an arcade driving game^ - share/publish time trials to your mates, to appear in their OS without having to go through twenty menus. Less useful for the likes of Spiderman and Demon Souls.

(You could also see it being good for the likes of Dreams.)

 

^ To choose a genre, unrepresented in the assumed launch titles, at random.

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I could see Godfall turning out decent, but it definitely hasn't shown well so far. The latest trailer is better, although I'm still not a fan of the gaudy visual style:

 

 

My pick for surprise PS5 hit would be Destruction AllStars. I could see Destruction Derby mixed with Titanfall gaining some traction with streamers, and the studio making it was made up of a bunch of ex-Bizarre Creations people; no idea if that holds true.

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7 hours ago, Ferine said:

I could see Godfall turning out decent, but it definitely hasn't shown well so far. The latest trailer is better, although I'm still not a fan of the gaudy visual style:

 

 

 

 

No one can say that isn't a next gen game now.

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9 hours ago, Ferine said:

I could see Godfall turning out decent, but it definitely hasn't shown well so far. 

 

 

This is is exactly where Halo was. Everyone was failing to see why MS had bet the farm on it until reviews started appearing. Even showings up to that years TGS were kind of eh, it's an ok looking shooter. It would be funny to see people frothing over it in a few weeks.

 

(I highly doubt anything of the sort will happen and it really does look the definition of mediocrity in all departments)

 

 

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10 hours ago, footle said:

 

It's not really the same goal - "nigh on instant resume of multiple games where you left off".

 

What it is is the kind of thing that might be really good for an arcade driving game^ - share/publish time trials to your mates, to appear in their OS without having to go through twenty menus. Less useful for the likes of Spiderman and Demon Souls.

(You could also see it being good for the likes of Dreams.)

 

^ To choose a genre, unrepresented in the assumed launch titles, at random.


So many games use auto save that I think being able to choose “Continue” from the console menu and be right back in to your last save in two seconds will probably be pretty close to the same thing. Not exactly but not at ten gigabytes a go either.

 

If you have fifteen games installed and you use Quick Resume once on each, the Series X immediately loses its entire storage space advantage.

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10 hours ago, Ferine said:

I could see Godfall turning out decent, but it definitely hasn't shown well so far. The latest trailer is better, although I'm still not a fan of the gaudy visual style:

 

 

My pick for surprise PS5 hit would be Destruction AllStars. I could see Destruction Derby mixed with Titanfall gaining some traction with streamers, and the studio making it was made up of a bunch of ex-Bizarre Creations people; no idea if that holds true.


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7 minutes ago, Hitcher said:

Quick Resume runs for 5 games.


A sensible solution.

 

It’s entirely plausible that PS5 will have this - it’s such a no-brainer - but they do have an alternative of sorts so I’m quite convinced yet.

 

Roll on Wednesday.

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11 hours ago, Gigawatt said:

Does Now allow you to play online on those titles that support it without PsPlus?
 

After they added downloads I would have been more interested, except I’d already bought most of the big games they were advertising. Looking at it now, there could be just as many, if not more games than Game Pass? And I know most of those are streaming only, but Sony should really be pushing it much harder. 

 

It does:

 

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Whether you stream or download, your PS Now subscription includes full access to most available online multiplayer modes

 

There is a hard capacity limit on PSNow at present (5 Million according to the last presentation which mentioned it) so not much point really pushing it for mass market adoption. The deal with Microsoft Azure does not fix the problem as you still require actual PS hardware to be installed in data centres close to customers for it to be useful, the same problem xCloud has also.

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