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I find it genuinely amazing that if the choice is between buying a proprietary drive that Microsoft control the price of and sliding off a plate and screwing an off the shelf drive in that anyone would think that giving Microsoft full control is a better solution. I’ll always take upgrades via generic parts that I can get from anywhere if it’s an option, being trapped into buying a specific hard drive from the console manufacturer is a recipe for overpriced, outdated shite.

 

It’s also crazy that a group of people on a forum this specialised are actually arguing that sliding a plate off and using a single screw is some sort of difficult challenge. Apparently it’s easier than the PS4 and PS3 procedures and they were incredibly simple. 

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I work in a little shop that prints photos.

 

Every day I have customers, of all ages, who don't know how to select a Wi-Fi network, turn on blue tooth plus other really simple things on a phone they have on their person for the majority of the day. In fact just yesterday I had a customer bring in a digital camera they couldn't get to work and asked me to take a look, how did I get it to work? I installed new batteries. It never occurred to them to test the batteries.

 

Like I said before there are literally millions of people who won't even attempt to remove a panel let alone unscrew something on a £449 piece of electronics.

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24 minutes ago, Mallet said:

I work in a little shop that prints photos.

 

Every day I have customers, of all ages, who don't know how to select a Wi-Fi network, turn on blue tooth plus other really simple things on a phone they have on their person for the majority of the day. In fact just yesterday I had a customer bring in a digital camera they couldn't get to work and asked me to take a look, how did I get it to work? I installed new batteries. It never occurred to them to test the batteries.

 

Like I said before there are literally millions of people who won't even attempt to remove a panel let alone unscrew something on a £449 piece of electronics.


Those people won’t be looking for additional storage space. People who want expanded storage are a tiny fraction of the market. 

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3 hours ago, Lyrical Donut said:

Fear not, those worried about installing an SSD expansion in your PS5. IGN have a simple guide about installing a Hard Drive in your PS5:

 

 


He describes two different steps as “probably the hardest part”. :lol:
 

Edit - so you need to make sure you buy a drive that’s fast enough and has its own heat sync, otherwise you need to manually install a heat sync? If Sony don’t certify the compatible drives that’s going to be a fucking nightmare. 

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4 minutes ago, LaveDisco said:

Want to hear about how it effects fan noise first. Would rather juggle games, than ramp the fan.

 

I haven't seen any reports, but there's no reason to expect it to do anything to the fan speeds - it's more or less in its own contained sealed-off space.

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11 hours ago, Broker said:

I find it genuinely amazing that if the choice is between buying a proprietary drive that Microsoft control the price of and sliding off a plate and screwing an off the shelf drive in that anyone would think that giving Microsoft full control is a better solution. I’ll always take upgrades via generic parts that I can get from anywhere if it’s an option, being trapped into buying a specific hard drive from the console manufacturer is a recipe for overpriced, outdated shite.

 

I think most people believe something in the middle would be ideal - an open-spec part that is just plug and play. So, something like the MS solution but with anyone being able to produce the cards so we got genuine competition for prices. Or the sony approach but without the need to open the case or have to check the drive speed specs or worry about heat dissapation.

 

11 hours ago, Broker said:

It’s also crazy that a group of people on a forum this specialised are actually arguing that sliding a plate off and using a single screw is some sort of difficult challenge. Apparently it’s easier than the PS4 and PS3 procedures and they were incredibly simple. 

 

Again, I don't think anyone on this forum is arguing it would be a challenge for them - but if you honestly think there is not a large lump of consumers out there that are not considerably less savvy or confident when it comes to this stuff you are flat out wrong. 1 screw or 138 won't really make a difference - the idea of opening up the casing and plugging in something as 'raw' looking as the SSD will give them the heebie-jeebies. It would be like going on a tour of Chernobyl back in the day and being asked to press a big red button - it's just one button, not a challenge in any shape or form, but if you don't know the consequences you'd be hesitant and nervous and probably prefer the guy in the white lab coat with the official employee card to do it.

 

It all might be totally moot - if the average person doesn't need to upgrade their storage then they won't bother and it'll be like every previous generation. It'll be stuff like the next COD and FIFA and GTA that decide it - if you can't get those three installed at the same time, I think that's when it moves from being 'enthusiast' move to 'mass market' consideration.

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This reminds me of that famous quote from the prosecutor in the obscenity Lady Chatterley's Lover trial (stay with me) in which he implied the book was ok for the likes of him but to consider if it was something "you would even wish your wife or servants to read"

 

In short, this is a perfectly decent upgrade solution and who gives a monkeys if some simpleton who doesn't know which way round to hold a screwdriver might have some diffs with it. What we are going to drag everything down to the lowest technical common denominator? Won't someone please think of the morons! That's Sony's problem.

 

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There’s also the simple technological fact that you’re not going to be able to match the on-board drive performance with anything but a high-end NVME SSD. This isn’t an error if it’s the only option.
 

Perhaps in 5 years the technology will have advanced enough to fit something with that performance in an After Eight sized package with modest heat output but that’s not where we are.

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11 minutes ago, SozzlyJoe said:

What we are going to drag everything down to the lowest technical common denominator?

 

Alexa: Describe the base concept of a console...... :)

 

Easiest thing would likely be for Sony to just either produce or licence an 'official' drive that comes in clearly branded packaging - that would knock almost everything totally on the head (no need for little jonny to know the difference between a 950cq and 980dq etc). And, I'll be flabbergasted if they don't do it to be honest. Obviously we'd not touch it on here mind.

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14 minutes ago, rgraves said:

 

Alexa: Describe the base concept of a console...... :)

 

Easiest thing would likely be for Sony to just either produce or licence an 'official' drive that comes in clearly branded packaging - that would knock almost everything totally on the head (no need for little jonny to know the difference between a 950cq and 980dq etc). And, I'll be flabbergasted if they don't do it to be honest. Obviously we'd not touch it on here mind.


can you go and post your concerns somewhere else? Seriously it’s proper boring

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Indeed. We on this forum really do not need to expend a scintilla of effort brainstorming solutions for Sony to keep the technically illiterate on board vis a vis expansion solutions. They no doubt pay people for that already.

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Sure - I thought this was a thread about PS5 in discussion though, I must have missed the "you can only talk about stuff that gooner is OK with" rule. Maybe you should stick up a list so we can all be nice and clear?

 

Nice use of 'concerns' too - is that becoming the new 'fanboy' goto?

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It's one thing to say "I'd like to see such and such as it would make my experience better" but when you say "I'd like to see such and such to make some theoretical persons experience better".. that is what has the smell of the dreaded 'genuine concerns'

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Okey dokey, ta for taking the time to at least explain - it's useful and appreciated. It's better than just a drive-by shitpost which helps nobody on either side.

 

It's honestly not my aim though - I'm just generally discussing the situation (and absolutely being a bit devil's advocate about it). Obviouly for folks on here this is a non-issue - it is just two screws and we'll get a thrill out of the whole 'which is the best drive' chase as well. But if we ignored everything that was not an issuse for us, we'd be skipping a lot of stuff that does matter in the overall marketplace.

 

I have no "genuine concerns", this is not a big (or even medium) issue. It's a teeny, tiny one, but we've not got a lot else going on right now and the beta has just come out, and IGN are posting videos on it etc etc....let's park it until it's hit GR and the great unwashed :)

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13 minutes ago, SozzlyJoe said:

It's one thing to say "I'd like to see such and such as it would make my experience better" but when you say "I'd like to see such and such to make some theoretical persons experience better".. that is what has the smell of the dreaded 'genuine concerns'

 

It shouldn't matter though, should it? If someone has a problem whether theoretical or practical with a console you should be able to discuss it freely.

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32 minutes ago, petrolgirls said:

 

It shouldn't matter though, should it? If someone has a problem whether theoretical or practical with a console you should be able to discuss it freely.

 

I think it does matter a bit as talking about theoretical problems theoretical people are having kind of sucks the oxygen out of the thread and really just smacks of jawing for the sake of it (or in the context of a console thread leads to the suspicion of concern trolling). But I concede there is not a lot else to talk about (and in fact I am as guilty of this as anyone over the last few pages).

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7 hours ago, Popo said:


He describes two different steps as “probably the hardest part”. :lol:
 

 

The hardest part will be when the PS5 falls over and breaks later because he didn't specify re-attatching the stand in his guide. :D

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I wanted to play my PS5 today but the locked front door stood (had a funny shape in it near the knob) in my way to getting in the house so I just sat outside and posted about it.

 

(I'm not complaining FYI - this thread is really fucking funny - its borderline parody) 

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6 minutes ago, Uzi said:

I wanted to play my PS5 today but the locked front door stood (had a funny shape in it near the knob) in my way to getting in the house so I just sat outside and posted about it.

 

(I'm not complaining FYI - this thread is really fucking funny - its borderline parody) 


When you go out just leave your key in the lock sticking out a bit like the XBOX expansion drive. So much easier.

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