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1 hour ago, Mortis said:

 

I like to imagine Cap kicked his ass just for good measure :) 

 

There's an idea for a post-credit scene: 

 

*Red Skull takes off his hood*

"Beware, the Stone demands a sacrif-"

*Cap's fist punches him*

*Cut to black*

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19 minutes ago, Bacon Horsemeat said:

I honestly couldn't remember :(

 

just googled him, I remember now. He was the arse who tried to arrest all the Avengers, but Stark sided with him with the accord thingy

 

He's General Ross, as in Betty's dad and perennial Hulk adversary. 

 

Also the only reminder of the Ed Norton Hulk film that they seem to acknowledge...

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13 minutes ago, Bacon Horsemeat said:

I just remembered, at the end of the very first movie, Tony says "I am Iron Man"

 

At the end of Tony Snap... "I am Iron Man"

 

:(

I loved that.

 

‘I am inevitable.’

 

‘I am Iron Man!’

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3 hours ago, JPL said:

It’s leaving a wave of emotionally scarred kids around the world! My son was devastated.

 

I can’t remember anything having that much emotional impact from my childhood.

 

The threesome scene in Wild Things ending too soon. 

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1 hour ago, Bacon Horsemeat said:

 

Chill out bro.

 

I think your posts betray a lack of intimate knowledge of the MCU, and for us more knowledgeable folk that can try one's patience (If one is impatient in the first place).

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1 hour ago, drmick said:

 

I think your posts betray a lack of intimate knowledge of the MCU, and for us more knowledgeable folk that can try one's patience (If one is impatient in the first place).

 

Must not have a lot of patience then, if you can't comprehend that others not of MCU Level 60 can actually forget bits that happened a year ago. This is not a specialist forum for Marvel geeks. It's for everyone who has watched Endgame, including Joe Casual. Sorry if that rocks your boat.

 

EDIT: Now that I've had a bit more time to recover, also kinda miffed that Black Widow didn't get a proper send off too. Wasn't quite Tony, but still played a significant part. Even Agent Coulson got a better scene after his death.

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That polygon article isn't all that great if you ask me. It needed another proof before publication for a start, and has a whopper of an error right near the beginning:

 

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An excited Ant-Man/Scott Lang (Paul Rudd) shows up at Avengers HQ five years after the snap. Only five months passed by his watch.

It was five hours. Rudd did not mumble that line, it was clear as crystal.

 

Still, the idea of realities being on top of each other in one big timeline is a nice idea, but it needs someone better than "Dave from Polygon" to explore it. 

 

As for "Beta Ray Bill" ... what a shit name. All I can think of when I read that is "Billy Ray Cyrus". I don't read the comics, and I never will. So I hope, if they do include the character, they change that utterly terrible name. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Mortis said:

That would be a great way to hand the Thor mantle over if Hemsworth is next to leave the MCU. 

I doubt that will happen personally,  maybe a new broship for Thor.

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4 hours ago, Bacon Horsemeat said:

I don’t get it though... when Thanos had the stones all it took was Thor and the Stormbreaker to defeat him. This time round it take the Triple Team, Thor's Hammer and Stormbreaker and they were getting smashed. It seems his massive sword is better than the stones. Or maybe Thanos relied too much on them.

 

I think Thor was a lot weaker in the Endgame fight. 

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19 minutes ago, yakumo said:

I put money we see Beta Ray Bill in Asguardians of the Galaxy movie.

I hope so, his head is one of the statues round the stadium in Ragnarok.

 

Anyway, back on to Endgame: saw it today and loved it - Minor complaints:

 

The pacing of the first ten minutes or so (Tony stranded, Captain Marvel appears, Tony is back, Tony meets cap, has a hissy fit and buggers off) felt a bit rushed. I'd liked to have seen it expanded on but I suppose the film is three hours long already.

 

Hulk - I'd like to have seen more smashing and for him to get his revenge on Thanos in the big fight at the end, even just getting a few punches in would have done.

 

Thor - The "fat pissed Thor" subplot worked well at first but felt a bit dragged out as it went on.

 

The whole time travel thing was done well, but again, the way they discovered it was rushed.

It just sort of happened with thirty seconds of Stark thinking about Moebius strips and Hulk playing with a console. Once the machine was built though, the actual time travel segments (meeting people from their pasts etc) was excellent. Thor's closure with his mum was quite touching.

 

Things I loved:

Nebula's character development over the films. From brainwashed murderous daughter of Thanos to genuine hero.

The big fight scene where the portals appear and pretty much everyone turns up. I was so engrossed that I'd completely forgotten that Hulk had snapped everyone back so wasn't expecting it.

Cap attacking Thanos with Mjolnir. About time too.

Tony's death was really well done - No long rambling eulogies, just "I Am Iron Man", a snap and then that was it pretty much it for him speaking. Pepper's "you can rest now" was lovely.

His funeral scene was more emotional than the death I thought. No pomp and ceremony as such, just a long panning camera shot over his extended family.

I liked the fact that they didn't try and introduce any new characters - I was worried they'd have someone previously unseen turn up in a pivotal role but they stuck to the existing MCU squad.

Old Cap - So glad that they wrote him out in a way that didn't kill him off as such but gave him (in his own words) "a life".

 

A great conclusion to a series of films that have meant more to me (and I'm sure a lot of others) than I thought they ever would.

 

I can't wait to see where they go next, I almost wish they'd be brave enough to start again with a whole new bunch of characters and not try to tie things in to this version of the MCU or reuse characters/actors who've had official screen time.

 

The Fantastic Four were never official MCU so fingers crossed for them vs Doom in the future.

 

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I just realised, when Thanos does the snap he has a little moment with baby Gamora presumably in the soul stone. I wonder if Banner and Tony got one as well with Nat. That would have been a niiiice touch.

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16 minutes ago, freezycold said:

 

I think Thor was a lot weaker in the Endgame fight. 

 

Yeah he was coming off a five year bender, to be fair. Not exactly in his prime.

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3 hours ago, drmick said:

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I think your posts betray a lack of intimate knowledge of the MCU, and for us more knowledgeable folk that can try one's patience (If one is impatient in the first place).

 

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1 hour ago, cubik said:

The whole time travel thing was done well, but again, the way they discovered it was rushed.

It just sort of happened with thirty seconds of Stark thinking about Moebius strips and Hulk playing with a console.

 

The idea that Avengers 4 would involve time travel was rumoured for a while (via shots of Cap in his Avengers 1 costume on a New York set) - which I wished I hadn't known.

 

So after Infinity War my guess was that time travel would be a problem that would be solved not just by Stark, Banner, and Rocket, but that Pym and Shuri would also still be alive and title need to be brought in to put their heads together. (In the end it turned out that Pym's work was needed, but not him!)

 

I remember that among those rumours there was a suggestion that the BARF memory-reliving gadget from the start of Civil War would also turn out to be important. And I think someone here recently mentioned a theory that Stark's left arm has looked potentially injured for several films, and that this could be the result of an Infinity Gauntlet snap reverberating backwards through time. (Of course in the end the stones were on his right hand...)

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2 hours ago, Bacon Horsemeat said:

 

Must not have a lot of patience then, if you can't comprehend that others not of MCU Level 60 can actually forget bits that happened a year ago. This is not a specialist forum for Marvel geeks. It's for everyone who has watched Endgame, including Joe Casual. Sorry if that rocks your boat.

 

EDIT: Now that I've had a bit more time to recover, also kinda miffed that Black Widow didn't get a proper send off too. Wasn't quite Tony, but still played a significant part. Even Agent Coulson got a better scene after his death.

 

Fair enough if this thread isn't for Marvel geeks. But of all the forums I'm in this one is by far the busiest with regards Endgame, so it is by default my only true Marvel geek medium. And then you are in the middle of it.

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Love people arguing for 10 pages over the time travel. It isn't close to internally consistent here, and the nature of time travel plots mean they are never entirely consistent anyway, so you can argue forever over it. I thought the second scene with the Ancient One confused the matter more than helped though; the you can't Back to the Future it scene would have been enough. I'll be shocked if they don't hand wave it all away (though maybe a TV series or two will address it) even the obvious stuff like glaf of Peters class is 5 years older. 

 

I enjoyed fat Thor and chill Hulk on their own terms, but it felt like they'd mostly done them for this film rather than really linking it back to their ongoing plots. I also disliked they essentially wound up moving a few people backwards. 

 

Aside from that a lot better than it had any right to be, pace was a little up and down but good blend of humour and drama. I think the fan service and callbacks were all fair enough considering what that this is. And hey, there are now a lot of MCU fans. Infinity War is the stronger film, though. 

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I enjoyed it, time travel issues aside - The Cap ending, and the whole Loki thing (likely resolved in the upcoming mini-series, but who knows...). They've been discussed enough, so I wont go over them.

 

I was a bit miffed that Lady Sif was completely absent, again - has Marvel/Disney just forgot about the character, or is Jaimie Alexander not available anymore? Also Sharon Carter - has she been removed from the timeline now due to the actions of Cap?

 

Other than that, I thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing. So many great (and funny) scenes!

"Hey Thor, that kid that called me a dickhead is back"

"That is America's ass!"

"I knew it!" - I had a massive grin the entire time, and thanks to no spoilers, was surprised to see it finally happen on the big screen - pure fan service right there, from the pages of the comics. And AVENGERS ASSEMBLE! to boot.

The headbutt scene - no-one's mentioned this, but I laughed when Thanos headbutts Captain Marvel to no effect, so he has to use the power stone or else he's fucked :lol:

 

Btw, Red Skull is "out there" now, as the Russo's have said he's free from his duties as the Soul Stone's guardian, so he wouldnt have been there when Cap returned the stone. Maybe Chris Evans isnt totally done with the MCU just yet, as what is the Red Skull without his arch nemesis? We'll have to wait and see if they bring the character back, but its odd that they have specifically mentioned this about the villain.

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My current time travel theory - it’s multiverses, and they’re all now back in alignment because cap took the stones back.

 

except 2023 (or the current day), where all the stones have gone and so dr strange’s order no longer has the time stone. What the heck this means for the universe as it drifts off its axis (or how everything goes to shit) seems like something to develop very slowly over Phase 4. And potentially the type of problem that leads to the eternals, Adam warlock, etc.

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I thought this had some great moments in it, some of the best throughout the marvel films, but the pacing was off compared to infinity war. I rewatched infinity war last week, and from the moment it starts it is relentless but perfectly paced. Endgame felt a lot slower to begin with, and would have been a better film if the first section had been edited down. infinity war is empire strikes back to engame's return of the jedi.

 

I also tutted at hawkeye's wife's use of her mobile 5 years later.

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18 minutes ago, Eric86 said:

I also tutted at hawkeye's wife's use of her mobile 5 years later.

 

Maybe she was using Google Voice?

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