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Cancelling the CL and Europa League is harsh on those still in it, but maybe can be offset by redistributing the remaining prize money equally. Border controls might dictate cancellation anyway, so don’t think UEFA really have a choice Vs government controls.

 

Even as a Red that’s waited 30 years, can’t hand Liverpool the title; the club hasn’t officially won it. And ‘winning’ it with a permanent asterisk would be hollow. At best, think the season resumes in a month or so, with games behind closed doors and a ban on public screenings. Again though, this could be moot if things really go to shit and the government overrules any proposal. At that point, football will be but a footnote.

 

The EFL will be hit hardest. At least teams still in European comps and the top-flight have revenue streams to cover a disruption. Plenty of lower-league clubs are staring at a bleak future*, which even if the club survives, plenty of staff will face uncertainties over their jobs.

 

With the ripple effect, would be very surprised if next season starts on time. Perhaps the EFL Cup, and possibly the FA Cup, get suspended or reduced (no FA Cup replays at all), no Charity Shield, no Super Cups or World Club Championship and the new season is delayed albeit with a little more space in the calendar. Clubs with internationals away for qualifiers may have to do what rugby does and play on without core players from their squads. Unusual but everything is going to be just that for the foreseeable future.
 

 

*I know that’s insignificant in the wider public picture but this is the football thread

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Even if they manage to finish the season there is always going to be an asterisk beside the results. When the leagues eventually restart will the players get a pre-season to get back to match sharpness for example? If they don't there will be a lot of teams underperforming because the players are so rusty after such a prolonged break which will obviously affect the results.

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There is no chance in hell that in a couple of weeks the season restarts and the grounds are open - I guess to get things done they could play games behind closed doors and televise, there is nothing stopping teams from training at present unless players or staff keep having infection scares or confirmed cases and need to quarantine - it could be very stop start with no guarantee of getting thru, and of course that then raises the spectre of teams fake quarantining themselves to avoid a fixture (sort of thing you could see West Ham doing).

 

Then if games are played there are concerns about gatherings in pubs/bars but they may be shut down in a few weeks if we follow what has happened elsewhere. 

 

It all seems unimportant in the grander scheme of things, but hard to see how this doesn't all end up in the courts as whatever happens there will be aggrieved parties. 

 

Finances will hit small clubs that live week to week in the shorter term, but a lot of the big clubs have huge outgoings and what happens to season ticket money and the big upfront TV payments that are scheduled - Sky/BT still taking our subs but that can't last for long with no TV being shown.

 

There are so many permutations and knock on effects to this it makes my head hurt thinking how on earth it gets resolved.

 

 

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If they end up having to call off the season they could just start again but everyone keeps their current points from this season. 
 

Not ideal but it’s another one to throw in the hat. 

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4 minutes ago, Pockets said:

If they end up having to call off the season they could just start again but everyone keeps their current points from this season. 
 

Not ideal but it’s another one to throw in the hat. 


sounds tedious. Why have another forty games when one team has a seven win head start?

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15 minutes ago, Pockets said:

Not ideal but it’s another one to throw in the hat. 

 

not unless that hat has a label that says 'ideas to discard' written on it.

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Just saw something that said UEFA were considering holding Euro 2020 in December.

 

Which, even if everything was somehow fully back to normal, is really fucking stupid. 

 

Who the fuck is going to want to traipse all around Europe in the middle of winter. Postpone it until next Summer or just cancel it. It’s not like a country has spent years preparing. 

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I don't see an issue with calling the season as it stands.  80% of games have been played and all teams are in the same boat.  It is harsh on the teams to get relegated, but they are in that position for not being good enough for most of the season.  

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22 minutes ago, Waggo said:

I don't see an issue with calling the season as it stands.  80% of games have been played and all teams are in the same boat.  It is harsh on the teams to get relegated, but they are in that position for not being good enough for most of the season.  

 

As I said earlier in the thread, the games in hand are a can of worms. Aston Villa have played one game fewer than Watford, Watford have 2 points more than Villa. If Villa won that game, they'd stay up and Watford would drop. The only reason why Villa have that game in hand is because they did better in the cup than Watford, so you're arguably punishing them for success, not failure. There's a less controversial issue around 5th/6th with Arsenal/Sheffield United too, both of whom have games in hand.

 

If it was the same number of games played for all teams in the Prem, as it is in the Championship, then I think calling it on current standings would be fine.

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Maybe have Villa & Watford have a relegation play off then to even that one out.  Guess you do the same with Arsenal/Sheffield Utd, as 5th may secure CL sport if City ban is enforced next season.  

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37 minutes ago, Waggo said:

Maybe have Villa & Watford have a relegation play off then to even that one out.  Guess you do the same with Arsenal/Sheffield Utd, as 5th may secure CL sport if City ban is enforced next season.  


If we’re in a position to play more matches as you’ve suggested... why not just carry on the season?

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Two one off games might be feasible, even if you have to abandon the idea of full fixtures schedules for the remaining 9 games.

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22 hours ago, glb said:

Even as a Red that’s waited 30 years, can’t hand Liverpool the title; the club hasn’t officially won it.

 

It's a shame you hadn't squeaked over the "Uncatchable" line really isn't it?

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I’m against calling the season as it stands, we have to finish it. 
 

Sheffield United and Wolves have a real shot at the Champions League with Wolves having a relatively easy run in, Norwich have picked up, Villa would be punished for success. 
 

The teams scrambling for play off places would also be punished, and the arseholes running West Ham rewarded. 
 

Also, Liverpool have waited 30 years for the title (which they would get if the season was called) but Wolves have waited 40 years to get into Europe and have a real shot at winning the Europa League, I think we’re third favourites. 
 

i believe we should recommence as soon as possible and cancel the domestic cups next season. 

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2 hours ago, Dudley said:

 

It's a shame you hadn't squeaked over the "Uncatchable" line really isn't it?


Yup. It’s a case of being desperate to win it but not like this. But as dr_m says, other teams have historic seasons in play and would be a shame were they not to play out. Best case is a lukewarm finish behind closed doors but even that looks increasingly unlikely.
 

In the context of football, Liverpool will get another chance one day; personally more concerned about the clubs that could go bust in the coming months, leaving a gaping hole in communities that will be robbed of some normality once this pandemic is under some form of control.

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My order of preference would be:

  1. Finish the season when possible, even if it means a reduced season next year
  2. Cancel the rest of the season, but set up suitable competitions to decide important places involving teams realistically involved
  3. Use a points-per-game method of ranking teams and end the season
  4. End the season right now with the current points
  5. Void the season

 

Option 2 would need work to decide what to play off for, who to include, what format to use, etc. There's no format there that's more satisfying than just playing the season out, and any playoff format may actually serve to reduce a team's current chance of finishing in whatever place they're aiming for. So it's not an ideal solution.

 

There's little functional difference between 3 and 4 in the Premier League - Sheffield United and Arsenal gain a place at the expense of Wolves and Spurs respectively, but cancelling the FA Cup would mean its Euro place going to the league anyway, so Wolves wouldn't miss out in Europe. Aston Villa would still be relegated in 19th.

 

Euro 2020 should be postponed. There's no chance of next week's playoffs going ahead and limited time to actually play them, and there's currently no serious likelihood of the virus having passed by the time the tournament is due to kick off. 

 

Financially, the Premier League and the FA need to come together and sort out a rescue package for the lower leagues, because many teams will suffer without the expected regular income from matches. 

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I saw something suggesting that the UCL and UEL are finished off as tournaments in the city of the final, so only on leg per match and all played in a week or so. 

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Thing is we don't really know when any sporting competitions will be able to begin again. You could potentially have disruption next year too, if it becomes a yearly thing and most countries won't have herd immunity by that point, and possibly a vaccine still won't be available. So we can talk about the possibilities till we're blue in the face, but it's a bit pointless until we know when the disruption will end, and for how long.

 

I would prefer that this season be finished somehow though. I feel like the disruption is going to be so severe that even if the top tier leagues for 2020-21 get "skipped" there would still be plenty of football to play.

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Yeah and I think the sensible thing is to prioritise domestic leagues. Even if that's all we get next year.

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Seeing as we are spitballing ideas.

 

  • Cancel Euro 2020
  • Suspend CL and Europa League
  • Resume this "season" as per whenever.
  • Six week break for transfers etc when completed
  • Play next season on a reduced schedule (maybe play one home, one away on a weighted schedule like the NFL / AFL)
  • Next season CL and Europa League is merely finishing off this years, with the teams resuming as they were
  • 2021/22 CL and Europa League entries, plus promotion and relegation based on finishing this seasons places.
  • Basically, you complete the current competitions and effectively write off next season. Given that no-one knows when next season is going to even start.

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Yeah, think where possible adjusting next season is fairest on most as there is nothing yet riding on the unplayed games.

 

When will Sky launch Sky Sports Subbuteo? Players in biohazard suits, obvs.

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51 minutes ago, Plissken said:

Seeing as we are spitballing ideas.

 

  • Cancel Euro 2020
  • Suspend CL and Europa League
  • Resume this "season" as per whenever.
  • Six week break for transfers etc when completed
  • Play next season on a reduced schedule (maybe play one home, one away on a weighted schedule like the NFL / AFL)
  • Next season CL and Europa League is merely finishing off this years, with the teams resuming as they were
  • 2021/22 CL and Europa League entries, plus promotion and relegation based on finishing this seasons places.
  • Basically, you complete the current competitions and effectively write off next season. Given that no-one knows when next season is going to even start.

 

A league split into conferences and divisions could be an interesting experiment for a season. Followed by a playoffs. However, with lack of parity in football, I'm not sure it would work in practice as I have no idea how you could balance it properly. So just ignore me. 

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Norwegian Football Federation saying Euro 2020 is being delayed for a year, with official UEFA announcement later.

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17 minutes ago, Baring said:

Makes sense. Euros and then WC 2 summers in a row :omg: 

 

World Cup 2022 is in November, remember?

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