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Thor 4: Love and Thunder - 2022


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So, this is bollocks, but after setting my expectations very low from what I'd heard, I think I enjoyed it more than Doctor Strange 2 for some reason.

 

I think it might just be because, despite all the dumb plot and shit jokes and too short tease of the Guardians (the bit at the start with them I really liked and felt like it could have lead into a more fun space adventure), it didn't have anything anywhere as bad as the terrible mummy's be crazy nonsense of Strange.

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And considering Thor Ragnarok I'm wondering what happened. Did they let Taika go off the rails a bit or something. It tried to ape that again with another kind of "iconic" music association with familiar tracks as well, but it made it feel more like a Marvel music video at times rather than an intrinsic part of the movie. In Ragnarok Immigrant Song is the only track used, and it's used exactly twice at key moments of Thor getting introduced, then later when he gets his power back. It's part of the narrative and works well. Plus the rest of the original music in that was trippy and made it feel all Flash Gordon.

 

This has none of that care or inspiration in it. And the production and set design all looked weirdly cheap.

 

Oh God I'm already disliking it more.

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I'm with Mark Kermode on the problem of Jane ending up in "heaven" at the end. Makes a mockery of basically any sense of sacrifice in the movie, or to be honest, in the whole MCU if that's now allowed. Yes I know this is comics we're talking about, but it sucks in them too.

 

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8 hours ago, Benny said:

And considering Thor Ragnarok I'm wondering what happened. Did they let Taika go off the rails a bit or something. It tried to ape that again with another kind of "iconic" music association with familiar tracks as well, but it made it feel more like a Marvel music video at times rather than an intrinsic part of the movie. In Ragnarok Immigrant Song is the only track used, and it's used exactly twice at key moments of Thor getting introduced, then later when he gets his power back. It's part of the narrative and works well. Plus the rest of the original music in that was trippy and made it feel all Flash Gordon.

 

This has none of that care or inspiration in it. And the production and set design all looked weirdly cheap.

 

Oh God I'm already disliking it more.

 

It's Marvel's Superman IV: The Quest For Cheese.

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7 hours ago, Benny said:

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I'm with Mark Kermode on the problem of Jane ending up in "heaven" at the end. Makes a mockery of basically any sense of sacrifice in the movie, or to be honest, in the whole MCU if that's now allowed. Yes I know this is comics we're talking about, but it sucks in them too.

 

 

I don't think it does, but I think the whole

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Zeus bit does though. They've now established that gods that humans worshipped exist, yet why is Zeus top dog and not 'god' god?

 

Jane isn't going to heaven though, is she? The Norse afterlife is a different beast, so I don't think establishing that Valhala is real is too bad, as that only exists for Asgardians (as she only got there because she 'became' and died as a Thor). It doesn't therefore mean the rules of traditional Christian heaven need to apply. 

 

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10 hours ago, Gabe said:

 

I don't think it does, but I think the whole

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Zeus bit does though. They've now established that gods that humans worshipped exist, yet why is Zeus top dog and not 'god' god?

 

Jane isn't going to heaven though, is she? The Norse afterlife is a different beast, so I don't think establishing that Valhala is real is too bad, as that only exists for Asgardians (as she only got there because she 'became' and died as a Thor). It doesn't therefore mean the rules of traditional Christian heaven need to apply. 

 

 

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Where I said "heaven" I meant a catch all for "afterlife", as Valhalla is the Norse equivalent. Doesn't matter what version of heaven it is, it just means a life after death concept which undermines the scene of sacrifice moments earlier, in my opinion. At least if you're going to introduce the concept put it in another movie if Jane ever comes back.

 

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9 hours ago, Benny said:

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I'm with Mark Kermode on the problem of Jane ending up in "heaven" at the end. Makes a mockery of basically any sense of sacrifice in the movie, or to be honest, in the whole MCU if that's now allowed. Yes I know this is comics we're talking about, but it sucks in them too.

 

 

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It's not the first afterlife that's been featured in the MCU: Black Panther had the ancestral plane, and Moon Knight had the Egyptian field of reeds.

 

Did the post-credits scene in Love and Thunder bother you more than those? If so, why? Was it the fact that the L&T version featured two major characters that made all the difference?

 

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I don't know to be honest. It could be because such a big deal was made out of the sacrifice, but I think maybe the reason it seemed okay in Black Panther was because it was an intrinsic part of their culture in that. But here Jane Foster just rocks up and is like oh yeah I'll have me some of that Viking afterlife you all get now. And because it didn't add anything to the story to go "look she's fine now". In Black Panther the afterlife scenes were woven into the narrative. In L&T however it only existed as a "concept" until the credits, and it never needed to be more than that to tell the story.

 

I've not seen Moon Knight.

 

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I'm also disappointed in the way it just mostly dumps her whole career as an astrophysicist, as she drops all that to try to find a way to deal with her cancer, only to sort of "give" up the fight and go for a sacrificial end to her life in a way that feels a bit like she's given up hope and just wants to go out.

 

It feels a bit cheap when I think of the very real struggles that people go through with cancer and it sort of side-lines that. It could have really touched more upon the kind of strength people need to have when going through stuff like that but it's just used as a plot device.

 

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3 hours ago, Gabe said:

 

I don't think it does, but I think the whole

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Zeus bit does though. They've now established that gods that humans worshipped exist, yet why is Zeus top dog and not 'god' god?

 

Jane isn't going to heaven though, is she? The Norse afterlife is a different beast, so I don't think establishing that Valhala is real is too bad, as that only exists for Asgardians (as she only got there because she 'became' and died as a Thor). It doesn't therefore mean the rules of traditional Christian heaven need to apply. 

 


Strange - What master do you serve?

Quill - What master do I serve, what am I supposed to say, Jesus?

Stark - You’re from Earth?

 

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They’ve already played with the fact that if the Christian God exists in the MCU it’s just another pleb in the Crowd. Was probably jeering at Thor with all the others.

 

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I mean the whole film was stupid anyway, and whilst it was set up such that

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Love is the strongest and best thing and conquers all and hey, isn't it great that Bale sacrifices his goal to bring his daughter back because of love, rather than being controlled and driven by hate

The message really is that

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Given the ability to have absolutely any wish you want granted, you should be completely selfish with that, bring back just one person and then fob them off with somebody else to deal with. Because its really all about the individual at the end of the day. 

 

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Yeah the entire end sequence was garbage.

 

My favourite one in terms of "message" is the one at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy. Everyone holding hands and struggling together even through immense pain to defeat a space Fascist. What's not to like.

 

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5 minutes ago, earlymodernsteve said:
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It was Dwayne FFS!

 

 

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Well, it's telling that I remembered it as "Doug" because it sounds like "Dug" and he's made of rocks. So... I can only conclude I made a joke that made me laugh more in my head.

 

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It seemed the comedy in this trumped the characters, it was just weird. Some scenes felt improvised, some scenes it looked like the cast didn't care. I don't think I laughed once. Bale was in another film. It looked like they all had lots of fun, but given all that the cancer plot felt tasteless and tacked on. I knew all the songs in the soundtrack and didn't like any of them, even those choices felt lazy. It seems the MCU has entered it's coked up phase.

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It seems as though they set it up to be told from Korgs point of view and so the language etc reflected his and his mannerisms but then forgot to stick with it all the way through or realised it wouldn't work for some bits so it's quite jarring. Due to an administration error yesterday, I had to watch it twice.

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1 hour ago, Pete said:

It seemed the comedy in this trumped the characters, it was just weird. Some scenes felt improvised, some scenes it looked like the cast didn't care. I don't think I laughed once. Bale was in another film. It looked like they all had lots of fun, but given all that the cancer plot felt tasteless and tacked on. I knew all the songs in the soundtrack and didn't like any of them, even those choices felt lazy. It seems the MCU has entered it's coked up phase.

 

Well Waititi certainly has.

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I thought that was very uneven. Absolutely excruciating in places but I’m sort of glad I stuck with it as I quite liked the ending. 
 

The whole thing was basically tosh though. Waititi needs to stop believing his own hype. 
 

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The whole plot was pretty stupid, but I can’t help wondering why Mjolnir kept calling to Jane when it didn’t help and in fact seems to have helped killed her.

 

Also - Korg goes on about two dads. Isn’t he introduced in Ragnarok talking about how no one came to his riot except his mum and her boyfriend who he hates?


 

Also, worst mid credits ever? Absolutely cringeworthy. I expect it’s one they won’t follow up on. 
 

Oh and 

 

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“Thor Will Return”


Was fairly disappointing thing to see after this. 

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1 hour ago, HarryBizzle said:

I just realised I could have watched Everything Everywhere All At Once instead of this crap and now hate both myself and this film. 

 

I think Prey, Top Gun: Maverick and Everything Everywhere all at Once have really shown Marvel up this year.

 

Thor 4 is a steaming turd.

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Lol. I thought that was perfectly entertaining. No better or worse than any of the other Thor films. Interesting how it’s garnered little but hate. It’s silly and fun and occasionally touching.

 

I’m here for silly Marvel at the moment. It’s very honest and entirely fitting for our insane times.

 

And the silliest bit was

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Roy Kent from Ted Lasso as Hercules in the mid-credits. 😄

 

The screaming goats did wear a bit thin though.

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