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Thor 4: Love and Thunder - 2022


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I tell you what contributed to the general level of boring:

 

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The action sequences were some of the most rote and boring of any of the Marvel films. You get, Thor fighting some bird men on a big field (with admittedly funny Jean-Claude Van Damme reference), Thors and friends fighting big minions on a smaller field. Thors and friends fighting smaller golden minions, then Thors fighting big minions and boss, then finally Thors fighting big and small minions and boss.

 

It's so utterly uncreative. Compare to Ragnarok:

 

Big fight in hell with giant fire demon, transitioning into a large scale battle, into a giant dragon chase and it's all brightly lit and clear what's going on. The playful visual stuff in Doctor Strange's place. The Willy Wonka Goldblum experience. The big gladiatorial match one on one with Hulk. Escaping the building by charging out with massive Flash Gordon laser guns. "Get Help". A chase sequence with piloting space ships and jumping between them. Hulk wrestling a massive wolf. Karl Urban jumping out of a ship dual wielding assault rifles that seem to have infinite ammo. Hela poking out Thor's eye. It's just packed with memorable set pieces and cool visuals.

 

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My missus wanted to watch this. 

 

Even she thought it was totally terrible. She likes most marvel films and loves the previous Thor films. 

 

I hope someone else is directing the next film. I like Waititi but this was just crap on every level. 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Benny said:

I tell you what contributed to the general level of boring:

 

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The action sequences were some of the most rote and boring of any of the Marvel films. You get, Thor fighting some bird men on a big field (with admittedly funny Jean-Claude Van Damme reference), Thors and friends fighting big minions on a smaller field. Thors and friends fighting smaller golden minions, then Thors fighting big minions and boss, then finally Thors fighting big and small minions and boss.

 

It's so utterly uncreative. Compare to Ragnarok:

 

Big fight in hell with giant fire demon, transitioning into a large scale battle, into a giant dragon chase and it's all brightly lit and clear what's going on. The playful visual stuff in Doctor Strange's place. The Willy Wonka Goldblum experience. The big gladiatorial match one on one with Hulk. Escaping the building by charging out with massive Flash Gordon laser guns. "Get Help". A chase sequence with piloting space ships and jumping between them. Hulk wrestling a massive wolf. Karl Urban jumping out of a ship dual wielding assault rifles that seem to have infinite ammo. Hela poking out Thor's eye. It's just packed with memorable set pieces and cool visuals.

 

I didn't hate it (but then I had it on in the background whilst I played Bug Fables on the other monitor).

 

The fights mainly reminded me of the Guardians of the Galaxy game - and they were by far the weakest part of that too.

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See, I didn't much like Ragnarok either, so whilst this is obviously worse than that film, I don't think it's massively worse - I don't like either of them. Ragnarok started Thor's transformation to full-on comedy character, which he has completed in this. His character veers pretty wildly between Ragnarok-Infinity War-Endgame and then this, which is a shame I think, because Infinity War and Endgame had a good balance of some light humour and a bit more gravitas around him, where now you are just waiting for the next one-liner. It's the same reason I absolutely hated GotG2 and am now much less excited about volume 3.

 

I agree with @Benny about the set pieces though, they were all so dull, as was the general plot (I still don't think they really made any use of showing Bale as the god-killer being much of a threat, despite his apparent trail of destruction).

 

Just a load of pap.

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Not as good as Ragnarok. Just about above average really. Bale was wasted. There was a whole chunk of the film where I forgot he was even in it. Screaming goats were funny once, maybe twice. But they kept going with that joke. Sadly, not enough to make it funny again. Cancer subplot just tonally weird within the context of the rest of the film.

 

2½ out of 5

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this was pretty bad. Watched it with friends last night and was called out when I thought it just seemed like some kind of parody or bad cartoon!

 

Didn't really think much of the story and it just felt like the entire movie didn't take itself serious at all. I'm not saying it was terrible as it was entertaining at times but i kinda lost interest halfway in. I didn't really get on with ragnorok either to be fair.

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Another shitty bit I remembered:

 

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The "thesps" telling the story of Ragnarok. It went on for far too long. And this time the joke really doesn't work, because the whole point before and what made it hilarious the first time was they were commissioned by Loki to tell a self aggrandising tale that he chortled his way through no matter how bad the actors were. The actors themselves were not the only joke. On New Asgard without the audience of royalty and the fact it's not flexible with the truth the whole setup just isn't funny and feels like it missed the point of what made it amusing last time.

 

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So I managed to get through this and out of the most recent Marvel films after End Game I've seen so far it's easily the poorest which is really quite something.

Tonally it's a complete mess, lurching from slapstick comedy to dark moments with all the finesse of a drunk trying to push home a broken Tesco trolley. Thor has been even more dumbed down than he was in previous movies, while Korg continues his assault to be the least funny character in the MCU. The Guardians were underused (although the trailer suggested that), Valkyrie continues to be a charisma vacuum (again the trailer suggested that) while Bale gives it everything he's got but has clearly turned up to the wrong movie. Love & Thunder comes alive whenever he's on-screen and he works well with Hemsworth who's clearly having a lot of fun.

 

I know nothing about Mighty Thor but I liked Natalie Portman's character, even though it made absolutely no sense that [spoiler] how do you do spoiklers again? [/spoiler]. I don't know if that's naff writing in the original comics but I'm guessing it's unique to the film because it's filled with the kind of plot holes that those giant metal space whales from Avengers could swim through. 

It's peppered with some funny moments, but it looks constantly cheap and it's painfully obvious that everything is taking place on giant empty sets (and yes, I do have Motion Flow turned off). It's just an exceedingly pointless and throwaway movie that does nothing to evolve the arcs of the characters involved and once again highlights that the MCU is currently in the kind of nosedive that would have been unthinkable in the few months after End Game. I'm glad I have no investment at all in these characters outside of the films because I'd be mightily upset if I'd poured my childhood into them. What a fucking farce of a film, I knew I should have watched Get Carter.
 

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3 hours ago, Benny said:

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The "thesps" telling the story of Ragnarok. It went on for far too long. And this time the joke really doesn't work, because the whole point before and what made it hilarious the first time was they were commissioned by Loki to tell a self aggrandising tale that he chortled his way through no matter how bad the actors were. The actors themselves were not the only joke. On New Asgard without the audience of royalty and the fact it's not flexible with the truth the whole setup just isn't funny and feels like it missed the point of what made it amusing last time.

 


 

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I think there were a lot of bits where everything just fell flat because they trivialise anything dramatic with stupid jokes. In Ragnarok, Hela felt like a decent threat even while the rest of the movie was fun. In this, you have them asking if they can do a bloody play 2 seconds after a bunch of kids get taken and the kid doing that shitty Astrid/Axl joke for far too long when they first make contact with Thor. 
 

As I said, excruciating in places. Isn’t Sif like Thor’s only remaining longtime friend? The thing is all about how lonely he is and he makes this awful joke about her arm being in Valhalla as she lies there possibly dying.



 

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19 minutes ago, cassidy said:

Vinnie is Kingpin not Thor and thats final. 

After typing that comment I decided to actually watch Adventures in Babysitting - not as good now that Disney has edited out some of the bits that gave it some heart - and couldn't believe who played Thor. He looked damn good!

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Honestly you are lot are such a joyless bunch of killjoys at times.

 

This was great fun, felt like an 80s cartoon turned into a movie; frenetic silly and really quite funny in places. I particularly enjoyed Stormbreaker as the jealous girlfriend when Mojinor returned.

 

Not quite as good as Ragnorok but moved at a blistering pace with the jokes coming thick and fast. Loved Crowe’s Zeus and pretty sure the cinematographers have played a bit of Destiny 2…all the sequences in the shadow realm particularly the fight with the kids felt like they were taking place in the Ascendent Realm.

 

Loved it anyway

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32 minutes ago, dreamylittledream said:

Honestly you are lot are such a joyless bunch of killjoys at times.

 

This was great fun, felt like an 80s cartoon turned into a movie; frenetic silly and really quite funny in places. I particularly enjoyed Stormbreaker as the jealous girlfriend when Mojinor returned.

 

Not quite as good as Ragnorok but moved at a blistering pace with the jokes coming thick and fast. Loved Crowe’s Zeus and pretty sure the cinematographers have played a bit of Destiny 2…all the sequences in the shadow realm particularly the fight with the kids felt like they were taking place in the Ascendent Realm.

 

Loved it anyway

Ssh they'll know you think different. Keep schtum or at the least tell everyone you hate the film.  

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12 hours ago, dreamylittledream said:

Honestly you are lot are such a joyless bunch of killjoys at times.

 

This was great fun, felt like an 80s cartoon turned into a movie; frenetic silly and really quite funny in places. I particularly enjoyed Stormbreaker as the jealous girlfriend when Mojinor returned.

 

Not quite as good as Ragnorok but moved at a blistering pace with the jokes coming thick and fast. Loved Crowe’s Zeus and pretty sure the cinematographers have played a bit of Destiny 2…all the sequences in the shadow realm particularly the fight with the kids felt like they were taking place in the Ascendent Realm.

 

Loved it anyway


I’d probably agree with you if I found more of the jokes funny. As it was they were either painful or it felt like the cast were practically slapping one another on the back over how witty and irreverent the whole thing is. 

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Loads to unpick with what went wrong here, but the thing I'm most disappointed with was the cramming-in of (arguably) the two best Thor stories - the God Butcher and Jane's Mighty Thor arc - and doing a major disservice in action, character and emotion to both.  Completely squandered.

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Didn't really enjoy this, and Ragnarok is my favourite of the Marvel films. It's not nearly as funny as the first one,

 

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although "half our soldiers are always dead!" is a fantastic line and I enjoyed the jealous axe bits,

 

and it all felt pretty stilted and disjointed. I think it was missing a gloriously camp antagonist like Cate Blanchett - Bale sort of bizarrely hopped from sombre evil to Ron Moody's Fagin and back again, and he completely jarred with the tone of the rest of the film. 50% of his performance would have been perfect for a straight villain role in one of their more traditional Avengers films, seems a shame to have wasted him in this. Russell Crowe was great but it felt like he was only in the film for five minutes.

 

I'm also not sure if I missed a line but I'm a bit confused as to why the gang were so desperate to

 

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stop Bale reaching Eternity. Wasn't his plan just to resurrect his daughter? It seemed like a bit of an odd thing for Portman's character to sacrifice herself to (fail to) prevent.

 

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16 minutes ago, PK said:

 

 

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I'm also not sure if I missed a line but I'm a bit confused as to why the gang were so desperate to

 

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stop Bale reaching Eternity. Wasn't his plan just to resurrect his daughter? It seemed like a bit of an odd thing for Portman's character to sacrifice herself to (fail to) prevent.

 

 

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I think until he reached the gate his plan was to use the wish to kill all the gods.

 

I'm not sure why Bale didn't think he could use the power to do this before - possibly the corruption of the dark blade or whatever?

 

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5 minutes ago, Gabe said:

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The plan was for him to kill all the gods, using the power of the wish granted by Eternity.

 

And the reason he couldn't just use the power from the blade was because it was killing him - so he wouldn't have time to go around and kill them all.

 

 

Yeah, I just don’t quite get why Bale s

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Plan wasn't to use the wish to bring his daughter back from the off.

 

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Plan wasn't to use the wish to bring his daughter back from the off.

 

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The blade corrupted him and made him evil (plus he knew it was killing him, so he wouldn't get to be with his daughter regardless), but it was the Power of LoveTM  that made him all happy again and change his goal from destruction to happy things.

 

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5 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

The other odd/crap thing about this movie is that it does an awful job of explaining why we should care if Gorr kills all the gods. Every one of them is depicted as selfish and unpleasant except for Thor.

I suppose it's to be an analogy of the Greeks (in the eyes of the Romans) becoming too interested in the finer things in life, which caused their civilisations to fall into decline. Which is then an analogy for current times. Or perhaps it isn't that clever and was just to add some sympathy to Blae's cause

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