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2 minutes ago, AceGrace said:

 

Regarding the USB dongle. Can you use 1 8bitdo dongle for more than one controller or do you need one per controller?


One at a time, you have to resync each time you want to change the controller 

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spanky debrest

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2 hours ago, Fallows said:


I use these controllers. They’re my number one choice for anything that isn’t SFC. I have a RaphNet for that, but to be honest I can’t be bothered plugging it in most of the time so I just use the M30s for everything.

 

I don’t get the second point though. If you’re using a USB hub you can use a single dongle for each controller just fine. That’s how mine’s set up.

 

Theres no need to worry about lag whichever route you take here, between M30’s 2.4Ghz and RaphNet you’re looking at almost peerless same frame input probability.

 

My M30s are are the original Mega Drive ones with DB9 receivers - not USB - because they were bought for use on real hardware.

 

Being able to reuse these controllers for the MiSTer via an adaptor would be great.

 

I understand that a SNAC adaptor could do the job but the caveats with those are only being able to have one controller connected at once (instead of the desired two) and it only being an option for use with Mega Drive & Mega CD cores owning to the nature of how the SNAC interface works.

 

I'm just trying to avoid purchasing more controllers because I have way too many originals that see no use, particularly my favourite Saturn ones (with their own type of connector and legit shoulder buttons rather than the double-mapped shoulders of the M30s).

 

I have an old iBuffalo USB SNES controller but I'd only want to use that for SNES. Everything else, ideally, would use OG Saturn controllers and Mega Drive ones as a fallback.

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13 minutes ago, spanky debrest said:

 

My M30s are are the original Mega Drive ones with DB9 receivers - not USB - because they were bought for use on real hardware.

 

Being able to reuse these controllers for the MiSTer via an adaptor would be great.

 

Ah, I see now.

 

In that case you're right; your best bet would indeed be a homebrew Deamonbite adapter, or secondly a RaphNet cable.

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15 minutes ago, Fallows said:

 

Ah, I see now.

 

In that case you're right; your best bet would indeed be a homebrew Deamonbite adapter, or secondly a RaphNet cable.

 

Daemonbite. Cool, noted, thank you.

 

15 minutes ago, ulala said:

What’s double mapping and why do m30s have it?

 

M30s have L and R shoulder buttons whereas real 6-button MD pads do not. Those extra shoulder buttons are in reality extra Z and C buttons.

 

I don't think 'double mapped' is a real term, it just sounded appropriate to try and describe the set-up.

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16 minutes ago, spanky debrest said:

M30s have L and R shoulder buttons whereas real 6-button MD pads do not. Those extra shoulder buttons are in reality extra Z and C buttons.

 

Another 2p's worth when considering your controller; you can never have enough buttons. It's sometimes better to have extra for things like coin (when playing six-button arcade stuff), core-level pause, and of course the MiSTer 'home' menu.

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34 minutes ago, Fallows said:

 

Another 2p's worth when considering your controller; you can never have enough buttons. It's sometimes better to have extra for things like coin (when playing six-button arcade stuff), core-level pause, and of course the MiSTer 'home' menu.

 

Indeed, I had thought about this a bit in regards to using M30s and Saturn pads:

 

M30s may have 'fake' shoulders (unremapple Z & C buttons) but also have an extra 3 low profile buttons that could clearly be handy for quick menu access, credit feeding etc (the 'star', 'minus' and 'sort of heart-shape made out of eight squares').

 

The built in auto-fire mode in the M30s (with set up being initialised by holding down the Star button) also adds to the niceness so I think maybe daemonbite adaptors for both Mega Drive and Saturn is the best option for me, if they're not too awkward to buy or build. And also one for PSX too, judging how quickly that core seems to be shaping up.

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3 hours ago, spanky debrest said:

M30s may have 'fake' shoulders (unremapple Z & C buttons) but also have an extra 3 low profile buttons that could clearly be handy for quick menu access, credit feeding etc (the 'star', 'minus' and 'sort of heart-shape made out of eight squares').

 

Small FYI: The star button can't be mapped (at least not on the USB 2.4GHz M30), the rest are good. :) Mine are coin/credit and menu.

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5 minutes ago, Ninja Doctor said:

I can really recommend the ps classic usb controllers for mister. They work straight out t he box, latency is really low and they give you 10 buttons to map everything too.

 

I was about to say I wouldn't touch anything Classic/Mini related with a barge pole, but you're right; I checked the spreadsheet and they sit at 2.044ms latency, providing an 87.74% same-frame input probability. For comparison the RaphNet adapter will likely weigh in at around the 90% mark.

 

Speaking of which, for anyone with a stack of original Dual Shocks RaphNet just restocked their adapters.

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My controller of choice is the SNES pads that came with the SNES mini console, as they're proper replica's of the original pad, except not 30 years old. 

I then use them with a RaphNet Adapter with the Wii connection. Latency set to it's lowest, it's basically indistinguishable to original hardware, and I've A/B'ed them. 

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1 hour ago, Kevvy Metal said:

My controller of choice is the SNES pads that came with the SNES mini console, as they're proper replica's of the original pad, except not 30 years old. 

I then use them with a RaphNet Adapter with the Wii connection. Latency set to it's lowest, it's basically indistinguishable to original hardware, and I've A/B'ed them. 

I also do this with either the elecom or emio adapters. 
 

basically I have a problem with buying different control setups. 

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Mr Monday

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it’s alive!  The included Wi-Fi script fails with a syntax error so running over Ethernet for now.  I’ve added the update_all script to SD card so will run that next.

 

Next comes the messing with display settings and getting controllers working.  Then adding roms.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ninja Doctor said:

My current controller options:

 

snes classic with emio/elecom adapters

wii classic pro with the above

8bitdo sfc30

retrobit 6 button mega drive usb

playstation classic usb

Core grafx mini usb

playsega usb Saturn 

 

God help me if I start getting into demonbites 

 

I have a huge pile of 8bitdo bluetooth wireless diy controllers and console adapters. Yes, I use bluetooth. Fight me.

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Ninja Doctor

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17 minutes ago, Tomdominer said:

 

I have a huge pile of 8bitdo bluetooth wireless diy controllers and console adapters. Yes, I use bluetooth. Fight me.

That would be too easy. 

teh lag!!!

 

anyhoos, do you have the Saturn diy board working? I could never get that working right over usb with my mister. Fine with windows though. 

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Mr Monday

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1 hour ago, AceGrace said:

Does the MMS come with build in Wifi and Bluetooth?

I thought you had to add dongles to make that work?

 

1 hour ago, jonnyalpha said:

You definitely have to add a wifi dongle and I think you probably have to add a bluetooth dongle as well.


I just assumed the DE-10 itself had wifi built in.  That could be why it didn’t work :)   Jonnyalpha is right, you need Bluetooth dongles as well.  I setup a 2.4ghz 8bitdo M30 controller and had very quick go on Ghouls ’n’ Ghosts and I’m really impressed so far.  It feels a lot snappier and lag free compared to my Retropie and the shadow masks look really good.  

 

 

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Ninja Doctor

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B073HPD5TC?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
 

emio pad and dongle. The pad is dog shit but the dongle is bob on however only does snes buttons on a classic controller. 
 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ELECOM-converter-Classic-controller-JC-W01UWH/dp/B009PDK6EI/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=31EHVS6FI17
 

elecom adapter. Bit pricey but does analogue sticks on classic controllers. Has a longer cable length. 

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