Obi-Wan Series - Friday 27th May

[Darren]

So no-one was being racist until Disney said don't be racist, then everyone started being racist just to show Disney that they don't like being told not to be racist?

[IcEBuRN]

If you want? But that's not what I said...

 

Merely the whole media hoohaa around this particular actress is because disney specifically drew attention to it, and then it's just a vicious cycle. Racists gonna racist, activists gonna activate. Calling your whole fanbase racist in public, in a pre-emptive PR statement is a bloody terrible move, and just invites the racists and wack jobs on both sides.

[JoeK]

19 minutes ago, Stoppy2000 said:

Nah there was definitely racist abuse of her as soon as episode one aired (and probably before). To say Disney have somehow started it is a bit bizarre. 

 

Was there ever much racism regarding Billy Dee Williams? I mean, he's always just been Lando to me, but I assume he had his fair share?

 

 

[scottcr]

I was expecting the fight with Vader to be a bit more awesome - this is before Rogue One, the ultimate Vader moment.  Is he still getting to grips with his suit?

 

Enjoyed it though.  Child Leia is absolutely fine... the barrier didn't bother me either.  I assumed Obi Wan switched the barrier off as there was no one around to operate it and it would open up the road for anyone else... I figured it was pretty obvious.

[Stoppy2000]

10 minutes ago, IcEBuRN said:

If you want? But that's not what I said...

 

Merely the whole media hoohaa around this particular actress is because disney specifically drew attention to it, and then it's just a vicious cycle. Racists gonna racist, activists gonna activate. Calling your whole fanbase racist in public, in a pre-emptive PR statement is a bloody terrible move, and just invites the racists and wack jobs on both sides.

They never called the whole fan base racist. They basically said that racists aren't welcome. I'm a star wars fan and I didn't consider that Disney were calling me a racist - because I'm not a racist. Also your last line seems to be 'both sides'ing this. 

[Festoon]

18 minutes ago, IcEBuRN said:

If you want? But that's not what I said...

 

Merely the whole media hoohaa around this particular actress is because disney specifically drew attention to it, and then it's just a vicious cycle. Racists gonna racist, activists gonna activate. Calling your whole fanbase racist in public, in a pre-emptive PR statement is a bloody terrible move, and just invites the racists and wack jobs on both sides.

 

Disney responded after the actress revealed the shit she was getting online in an interview. They were responding on her behalf because of the shit she was already getting.

[Jammy]

51 minutes ago, scottcr said:

I was expecting the fight with Vader to be a bit more awesome - this is before Rogue One, the ultimate Vader moment.  Is he still getting to grips with his suit?

 

There’s two possible answers to that, and one, both, or none could be right. It depends on how cute Filoni and Favreau have been here, because Vader wielded his saber one-handed in ESB, which Kirschner had him do as a sign of contempt for novice Luke’s skill level (Lucas was furious about this apparently). In this his intent wasn’t to kill Obi-Wan, and since he’d already said out loud how weak Obi-Wan had become, I presume this was a similar level of taunting.

 

Secondly, I think there was some lore (maybe in the comics) that Palpatine deliberately made the suit cumbersome/painful.

[Stoppy2000]

Just now, Jammy said:

It depends on how cute Filoni and Favreau have been here, because Vader wielded his saber one-handed in ESB, which Kirschner had him do against as a sign of contempt for novice Luke’s skill level. In this his intent wasn’t to kill Obi-Wan, and since he’d already said out loud how weak Obi-Wan had become, I presume this was a similar level of taunting.

Yeah felt very much like he was toying with Obi-Wan. I much prefer this style of battle than the flippy stuff in the prequels. Has a weight to it that you only really feel in the original trilogy battles. 

[IcEBuRN]

6 minutes ago, Festoon said:

 

Disney responded after the actress revealed the shit she was getting online in an interview. They were responding on her behalf because of the shit she was already getting.

No, she said Disney had "prepped" her for the abuse she'll most likely get, and they were there to support her.

 

Funny how things get warped in the mix isn't it...

[Festoon]

1 minute ago, IcEBuRN said:

No, she said Disney had "prepped" her for the abuse she'll most likely get, and they were there to support her.

 

Funny how things get warped in the mix isn't it...

 

No, she said she had been prepped as she revealed the stuff she'd been sent. Disney tweeted afterwards.

[K]

3 hours ago, IcEBuRN said:

 

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/05/31/star-wars-makes-bizarre-late-night-tweet-about-racism-and-obi-wan-kenobi-actress-moses-ingram/

 

Have you read that article? It's a cesspit. The whole point of it is to say that "never mind the racist abuse hurled at Moses Ingram, Disney are actually racist against white people, aaah". The piece, and the associated website, is fucking horrific - their whole agenda seems to be having a go at anything in the sci-fi / fantasy genre with a progressive agenda. I mean, check this nonsense out:

 

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/05/19/neil-gaiman-says-sandman-has-always-been-woke/

 

The premise of the article is that despite Neil Gaiman saying the Sandman has always been woke, Neil Gaiman is in fact wrong about this, because the TV series has introduced woke elements that weren't in the comic, like Death being black, or Desire being non-binary. Although it's probably worth pointing out that Desire is non-binary in the comic too, in case you were wondering who was right about Sandman out of the guy who wrote it and a guy who's apparently never read it.

 

Other headlines: "After Shoving Woke Politics Down The Throats Of Consumers, Disney’s Favourability Rating Takes Massive Dive".

 

Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't trust anything this website said.

[Stoppy2000]

That site is exactly the sort of shite Disney were calling out. It's a wretched hive of scum and villainy. 

[Broker]

1 hour ago, IcEBuRN said:

If you want? But that's not what I said...

 

Merely the whole media hoohaa around this particular actress is because disney specifically drew attention to it, and then it's just a vicious cycle. Racists gonna racist, activists gonna activate. Calling your whole fanbase racist in public, in a pre-emptive PR statement is a bloody terrible move, and just invites the racists and wack jobs on both sides.

BOTH SIDES ALERT

 

[mikeyl]

Haha Bounding into Comics is a sweaty incel alt-right woman hating training site for future spree killers who dress up as the Joker. 
 

Moses Ingram getting personal hate messages is not some conspiracy nonsense manufactured by their employer. Lol. Imagine.

[Unofficial Who]

I have a theory about Vader and I'm not sure it's on purpose but I totally bought the quarry scene, the terrifying start and the weak end. 

 

And it's similar to Vader in other movies.

 

Vader is the Sith version of a lot of predators. Like a force enabled crocodile.

 

Hear me out. You see him at the end of Rogue One and he's terrifying, a whirlwind throwing people here and there in an effortless fashion. Then by A New Hope, literally minutes later he's moved to a slow stride. The stormtroopers doing most of the work,

 

Now a lot of that is to do with what they could do with effects now verses the late 70's, but what if they're leaning into this now?

 

At the start of his search for Obi he's brutally killing and maiming people left and right. He's using projection and then he's fighting one handed. But by the time he gets Obi where he wants him he seems to be slowing down. The dragging across the ground feels a lot slower and weaker.

 

Like a crocodile, if you're near him when he's well rested you're fucked but if you can get some distance you can wear him down. His injuries look extensive and painful, I totally buy Darth as someone still getting used to working with his injuries, lashing out left and right in pain until he runs out of steam. Note, I'm not across extended universe stuff. But there's an interesting balance. Darth still on top of his game with the 'saber and force powers but in incredibly bad health. Obi being out of form but in better health and with more endurance.

 

Obviously I'm enjoying it. Loving the acting as well.

 

[IcEBuRN]

Alright, ok ok guys! I'll admit defeat on this one (slightly haha). 

 

I still think Disney should have played that a bit smarter, because no shit, anyone that isn't a white straight male, WILL get some shit on the internet regardless of what they do. I'm just trying to view the community positively, and that people (most people) aren't just gonna lynch someone because of their race or gender, and there, IMO is legitimate criticism to be levied at this character, and other characters "of colour", and I don't want it to be a defence shield if Disney, or whoever else doles out some shit writing, and hides behind discrimination.

 

But yeah, ok, I had a think, read your replies. I will retreat 

[Unofficial Who]

If anyone is looking for some critical analysis, I really liked this. (Apologies if it's already been posted.)

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio/2022/06/03/patrick-freyne-obi-wan-kenobi-as-inquisiting-goes-its-grand-but-ive-seen-better/

 

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Obi-Wan is hiding from everyone but nonetheless everyone knows where he is. Owen, the guardian of infant Luke Skywalker, knows he’s spying on them. A rogue Jedi finds him with ease. The adopted father of Princess Leia goes straight to his secret hiding place. Frankly, the fact the Galactic Empire cannot find Obi-Wan makes me regret voting for them.

 

[Thor]

21 minutes ago, IcEBuRN said:

Alright, ok ok guys! I'll admit defeat on this one (slightly haha). 

 

I still think Disney should have played that a bit smarter, because no shit, anyone that isn't a white straight male, WILL get some shit on the internet regardless of what they do. I'm just trying to view the community positively, and that people (most people) aren't just gonna lynch someone because of their race or gender, and there, IMO is legitimate criticism to be levied at this character, and other characters "of colour", and I don't want it to be a defence shield if Disney, or whoever else doles out some shit writing, and hides behind discrimination.

 

But yeah, ok, I had a think, read your replies. I will retreat 

You could have just said you were wrong, but oh no, you just couldn't help yourself ... you just had to add "they realised their writing is shit, and so pulled the race card to hide behind". Fucking hell...

[Sarlaccfood]

6 hours ago, sid said:

just boring imo. 

Well coincidentally, I find people moaning that Star Wars isn’t being the strong-man power fantasy they want it to be pretty boring too. Especially when it’s never been that.
 

Even in Return of the Jedi, when Luke comes closest to being “a badass” he realises that’s not how he wins and throws his lightsaber away. 

[IcEBuRN]

4 minutes ago, Thor said:

You could have just said you were wrong, but oh no, you just couldn't help yourself ... you just had to add "they realised their writing is shit, and so pulled the race card to hide behind". Fucking hell...

C'mon mate, really? The writing is shit, she IS shit...so far, though I think we all see where her story arc is going. Why are you trying to bust my chops for that opinion? I "fear" that's the narrative that is coming out, hence my previous posts. You are mis interpreting me, and it's not appreciated. I didn't *say* they think they're writing is shit so they're hiding behind the race card. I said, my whole reason for posting was because I feared that, and I took (most) of it back, and there you are, still attacking. Jesus christ, sorry for having a different viewpoint and then trying to listen and learn from other people.

[Stoppy2000]

39 minutes ago, IcEBuRN said:

C'mon mate, really? The writing is shit, she IS shit...so far, though I think we all see where her story arc is going. Why are you trying to bust my chops for that opinion? I "fear" that's the narrative that is coming out, hence my previous posts. You are mis interpreting me, and it's not appreciated. I didn't *say* they think they're writing is shit so they're hiding behind the race card. I said, my whole reason for posting was because I feared that, and I took (most) of it back, and there you are, still attacking. Jesus christ, sorry for having a different viewpoint and then trying to listen and learn from other people.

You are the one who came in here spouting absolute shite about Disney somehow causing the racism. You also equated activists with racists and said there were 'wackos' on both sides. Whilst also citing some alt right bullshit site as your source. 

[Bluejam]

[K]

It's designed to stop vehicles, presumably.

[The Boatman]

13 hours ago, sid said:

 

and fighting in a quarry is Blake 7 levels of shite fucking hell

 

 

[Bluejam]

Much better fight IMO and that’s 3 years old 

[sid]

2 hours ago, Bluejam said:

Gonna need a shit load of dimes 😂

[mikeyl]

Maybe the lasers were set to expand outwards like the Death Star beam and track anyone who set off some unseen motion sensors. Didn’t think of that one nerds. 

[andygt]

1 hour ago, Bluejam said:

Much better fight IMO and that’s 3 years old 

Aren’t you a little short for a Darth Vader?

[drmick]

While I'm enjoying the show, I am also agreeing with the validity of most of the criticism on here.

 

But, yes, the nature of the chase in and around the quarry was woeful.

[sid]

5 hours ago, Sarlaccfood said:

Well coincidentally, I find people moaning that Star Wars isn’t being the strong-man power fantasy they want it to be pretty boring too. Especially when it’s never been that.
 

Even in Return of the Jedi, when Luke comes closest to being “a badass” he realises that’s not how he wins and throws his lightsaber away. 

that just underlines how much of a badass he is though. He is so strong he refuses to do the emperors bidding. Absolute hero. 
 

strength and heroism does not need to be physical ….. Obi wan in anh is a great example of this….