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At 33yrs old I have joined the PC master race.

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I joined the master race just before lockdown, having had the itch to build a PC - although I still mostly game on Xbox.

 

I purchased a Dan Cases A4 (mug shown for size) and crammed it with;

 

Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor

16 GB of RAM

ASRock B450 gaming itx motherboard

1TB SSD

Radeon RX 5700XT

Corsair SF750 power supply

a couple of fans

and a Pixio PX7 Prime 27inch 165hz monitor

 

Overall I'm pretty happy with it and I love the Ducky x Varmillo mechanical keyboard!

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Hello Goaty ♥ said:

 

same price as the currys one more or less,  depends if you'd like Intel or AMD really 

 

I'm an intel man ;)

What’s the difference? I don’t understand anything about pcs. Just want something that would manage most new games at 60fps 1080p on ultra settings and let me add vr. I’d only be using a 24 inch monitor so 4k would be pointless on it

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Compatibility and reliability mostly.   I blindly always go for intel.

 

Theres nothing at all wrong with AMD Ryzens, in fact they are probably better performance wise these days.

 

- somebody whos an AMD Ryzen aficionado  reply please :P

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35 minutes ago, strider said:

What’s the difference? I don’t understand anything about pcs. Just want something that would manage most new games at 60fps 1080p on ultra settings and let me add vr. I’d only be using a 24 inch monitor so 4k would be pointless on it

 

Brand loyalty is probably the only reason to go intel these days - their value is currently comparatively poor for what they currently present and this hasn't changed with the 10th gen (I have a 8th gen 8700k myself)

 

Ryzen is a better buy these days for price to performance. If you build something for gaming the most expensive part will usually always be the graphic card which run into the hundreds if not more so saving unnecessary spend on other areas for no good reason is pretty important. CPU wise- (depending on budget) a 3600 or 3700 Ryzen. Don't consider higher unless you are going to be doing work like editing etc on there. A 3700 ryzen will match core/thread count wise what is going into the series x and PS5 being made by the same folk so that should have you set gaming wise for the generation or a good while at least.

 

The real truth is though - if you can wait - do not buy right now. New graphics cards are around the corner and they are likely to move the bar up quite a bit for performance and you'd be comparatively overpaying for something like a 2070 Super when around September time that £500 for a similar gpu from either AMD/Nvidia could do a lot more work or old stock deals would be better.

 

As nice as it is to get interest into the pc building/gaming realm - this is an awkward time to do it because of the new GPU tech literally a few months ago. I would recommend to anyone who can wait to hold off until later in the year for better options just around the corner.

 

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I can build my own but went pre-built I didn’t see much of a price difference between building and  just buying pre-built when I went parts picker.  
 

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7 hours ago, skittles said:

Can I use my switch controller on my PC for those games that are more casual and suited to controllers?

I use my Switch Pro controller on my PC to play Zelda BotW on CEMU it even does the motion control. You can just connect it via BLuetooth and it'll be good to go, the motion support is a bit more involved.

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2 hours ago, mr twig said:

Mmm, I really fancy your PC. Is that weird?

 

Please tell me more about it! What components is it hiding? Is it quiet under pressure? I might get one.

No no, that's absolutely the correct response. 

 

It's hiding a Ryzen 5 3600, GeForce 1660 Super, 16gb RAM and a 1TB M.2 SSD. It does extremely well with VR and everything I've thrown at it from Xbox Game Pass. 

It stays cool and quiet for working and browsing (and even literally silent if I use the silent mode in the motherboard control thing),  the fans do get a little noisy when playing games but nothing off-putting and the temperatures stay under control even on demanding VR stuff. I'm very impressed with it. 

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1 hour ago, strider said:

What’s the difference? I don’t understand anything about pcs. Just want something that would manage most new games at 60fps 1080p on ultra settings and let me add vr. I’d only be using a 24 inch monitor so 4k would be pointless on it

 

Intel still has the absolute edge if you care about consistency of performance in the most demanding situations and are willing to pay the premium and their high-end CPUs still outperform AMD's best chips. Their re-sale value is also way better so even if you spend more upfront, the long term resale value is better so overall cost isn't massively worse than the cheaper upfront AMD options.

 

The fire and forget option would be the Intel i9 10900K, expensive but the longest likely life span of all the current Intel chips. I wouldn't buy one of those in a pre-build though, they will see you coming :)

 

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I'm putting together a build probably spending a little more than you Strider and I'm using an i7-10700k and a 2070 super.

 

Only obvious thing I spot with the Chillblast is a tiny SSD boot drive so all your games are going to be on spinny disks.

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I don't know whether its the done thing,  Even though all my drives are SSD,  i do store some on an external drive
  (  just the smaller games like the goose game and what the golf ) no issues at all.

 

 

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My favourite PC games are currently PUBG, Valorant, Ryzen Memory Calculator, Prime 95 and memtest86

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36 minutes ago, artz said:

My favourite PC games are currently PUBG, Valorant, Ryzen Memory Calculator, Prime 95 and memtest86

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2 hours ago, simms said:

I can build my own but went pre-built I didn’t see much of a price difference between building and  just buying pre-built when I went parts picker

 

There's sometimes a bit of a saving due to buying it all from the same place prebuilt, I think of it as being a bit like how buying a complete bicycle is usually a lot cheaper than buying all the components and a frame. The difference is usually in the details, the compromises tend to be on the less-obvious parts so maybe the motherboard is a slightly less good one than you might have chosen, the HDD a smidge slower model, the PSU not as beefy. Or on a bike when the rear mech is the prestige model and the rest of the drivetrain is a step lower. The difference is definitely less pronounced on PCs though, must be some razor thin margins out there.

 

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1 hour ago, Hello Goaty ♥ said:

I don't know whether its the done thing,  Even though all my drives are SSD,  i do store some on an external drive
  (  just the smaller games like the goose game and what the golf ) no issues at all.

 

 

 

It's not ideal, it's not a killer, for most games at least.  Although with the consoles embracing SSD the ability to stream data quickly might end up being important for PC games too.

 

To be fair, that's an easy later upgrade if you want to do it.

 

8 minutes ago, milko said:

 

There's sometimes a bit of a saving due to buying it all from the same place prebuilt, I think of it as being a bit like how buying a complete bicycle is usually a lot cheaper than buying all the components and a frame. 

 

You can often split the difference with providers that let you choose all the bits too.  My current test build is about £100 more on PC Specialist than I can in theory get the parts from using about 8 retailers.  I'm perfectly capable of building a PC but at that difference for a unified warranty I'll just order the fucker.

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My 17-year-old nephew is now offering to build something for me, so that should allow better bang for my buck.

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The thing I found with my own build over pre-build is that I was able to make the most of bargains that came up, even if the part wasn't my exact original choice, sometimes getting a better component for no more than my original budget and other times taking a slight performance hit for a big drop in price.

 

Otherwise, I think pre-builds are much more competitive than they once were.

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I bought a really nice prebuild from Scan about 18 months ago (While recovering from surgery) and it's been amazing. A fantastic and neat build that's given me zero issues.

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7 hours ago, Hello Goaty ♥ said:

 

same price as the currys one more or less,  depends if you'd like Intel or AMD really 

 

I'm an intel man ;)

 

Bruh.

 

@strider 

 

Have a look here:

 

 

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For me the first test of any new build is how many leagues it can run well on Football Manager.  

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33 minutes ago, snowbind said:

 

Bruh.

 

@strider 

 

Have a look here:

 

 

I’m moving back to prebuilt due to the warranty. I am crap with pcs so like the peace of mind it potentially offers.

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5 hours ago, layten said:

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It’s on sale right now!

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Each to their own, but in general past the first year or by paying for additional support, you get less warranty with a prebuilt.

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1 hour ago, Mike said:

For me the first test of any new build is how many leagues it can run well on Football Manager.  

 

it would help if they actually programmed the game to USE the system!

 

but they dont...

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I can totally understand the appeal of pre-built even though I've not done it for years and tend to the ship of theseus method of changing computer. Well, that and waiting for @layten to upgrade so I can buy his cast-offs.

 

But yeah, anyone who's put it all together and then switched on to get - nothing - and have that feeling of "did I just forget something simple or have I somehow fried it" doesn't want to experience it any more times than they had to. It took me days to get my current build to recognise all four sticks of RAM in it and I still don't really understand how I fixed that.

 

Still, I always look at how much more I can afford with a smart upgrade and do it to myself again.

 

 

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I’ve long fancied a gaming PC but really only for the stuff you can’t get on consoles or really needs mouse and keyboard control such as Civ and other strategy games. 
 

Are the pre-built PCs mentioned above good choices for this or would they be overkill?
 

Rather than FPS should I instead focus on 4K at a lower framerate  perhaps? 
 

Apologies if these are daft questions. I’ve always only had consoles. 

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Is there a big difference in the AMD ryzen 5 3600 and the AMD Ryzen™ 7 3700X

 

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