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2 hours ago, Waggo said:

The designating of existing fans as Legacy fans tells you all that you need to about where this is ultimately going.  Only a matter of time if this gets off the ground, before a team is moved over to the USA and another to Singapore etc.

 

Yeah, the whole MK Dons thing scared them a little but it'll happen.

 

And Chelsea quietly already tried this, an explanation you won't need if "CPO" means anything to you.

 

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So as part of saving the club a few decades back when they nearly lost the stadium, Chelsea's then ownership established the "Chelsea pitch owners" (CPO). This is a group of fans that anyone can buy into. It's actually done really well, they'll get any current player of your choice to sign the share certificate on behalf of the club, my dad is a member with a Lampard signed one.

 

The CPO is important.  They own the pitch, the turnstiles and crucially the name "Chelsea FC".  The club cannot move ground, much less country and use that name without their permission making one of the moves discussed above REALLY hard.

 

A few years ago the current ownership  tried to abolish it, it can be done with a majority (or maybe super majority) vote.  They packed the votes as best they could, they put out relentless bollocks about holding back the club on all channels.

 

It didn't work, that's ultimately why there was the proposal to redevelop the Bridge rather than move to Battersea or Earl's Court.  But it was transparently an effort to regain the control that would allow them to make those decisions.

 

1 hour ago, Gabe said:

If that turns out to be true then, regardless of whether he was about to be sacked due to performances, that's actually damn admirable.

 

It isn't and the point you'll find out it isn't is when his next job is inevitably with one of the other 11.

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22 minutes ago, ryodi said:

The terrible new Champions League has been signed off for what it’s worth

 

 

"New spots for elite clubs that failed to qualify"

 

Says it all really.

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The thing is though, whilst it is greed of an almost unimaginable level you can understand why the clubs want to do it now. They're going to cop dogs abuse with this dreadful UEFA sanctioned format anyway so you might as well go the whole hog and take full control. In for a penny. Frankly, UEFA and FIFA have made rods for their own backs with all of this. It's an occasion where there's no goodies and baddies, just dreadful people on both sides. Nob heads the lot of 'em I tell you.

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And much like the Premier League, if they can weather this, in 10 years time it'll be just how football is and Sky Sports will gleefully be saying "The quickest goal ever since the Super League began" just as now they think football began in 1992.

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Non-fan of football here. (As in, I’m indifferent. And uninformed. I’m asking as this is all over the news cycle today.) This new Super League – are the British football teams leaving the existing Premier league to join the super league, or trying to be part of both somehow?

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3 minutes ago, Protocol Penguin said:

Non-fan of football here. (As in, I’m indifferent. And uninformed. I’m asking as this is all over the news cycle today.) This new Super League – are the British football teams leaving the existing Premier league to join the super league, or trying to be part of both somehow?

They want to do both, and just won’t compete in the existing Champions League and Europa League. The SL games will replace those in midweek.

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Theoretically this replaces the european wide "Champions League" not the national leagues, they expect to still play in those.

 

But they could be kicked out of them as one of the requirements at least in the Premier League is you're only allowed to enter certain other competitions and this is not one of them.

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3 minutes ago, Protocol Penguin said:

Non-fan of football here. (As in, I’m indifferent. And uninformed. I’m asking as this is all over the news cycle today.) This new Super League – are the British football teams leaving the existing Premier league to join the super league, or trying to be part of both somehow?

They want to be in both.

 

The suggestion seems to be that Premier League will not allow them to take part if they go ahead with this.

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56 minutes ago, ryodi said:

The terrible new Champions League has been signed off for what it’s worth

 

 

 

The nerve of calling something an elite competition, while in the same breath trumpeting new spots for elite clubs that failed to qualify.

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Even setting aside the franchise league, the new structure for the CL suggests the game's fucked. Qualification by failing to qualify because of who you are. Utter bullshit.

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10 minutes ago, Protocol Penguin said:

are the British football teams leaving the existing Premier league to join the super league, or trying to be part of both somehow?

 

English clubs, nobody gives a toss about Celtic/Rangers Cardiff/Swansea or Cobh Ramblers.

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12 teams signed up - maybe PSG are staying quiet for now and Bayern/Dortmund have both stated they won't join.

 

So they are currently 3 founder members short and then the 5 guest teams they invite each year may or may not tell them to fuck off.

 

If the Prem/Serie A and La Liga all call their bluff and state they will be thrown out the domestic leagues then they'll struggle to attract other teams to make up the 20 - at least of the caliber they might like - and then if PSG, the German clubs, Ajax and the next biggest teams in Spain, England and Italy all declare they will have nothing to do with it then they won't be able to hoover up all the best players (or at least not entirely). Sure they'll have the money to attract/retain the big players, but some of those players won't want to play just super league games plus friendlies regardless of how much money is being thrown at them.

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Gotters said:

 

English clubs, nobody gives a toss about Celtic/Rangers Cardiff/Swansea or Cobh Ramblers.

It's money regardless of origin. England's leagues has 1000x Scotlands or Wales. At least Celtic an Rangers would have a sniff of a chance of a Euro Super league and probably best chance of joining the Real Big time. Whereas Swansea and Cardiff have zero chance even if in the Premiership

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9 minutes ago, Ork1927 said:

Sure they'll have the money to attract/retain the big players, but some of those players won't want to play just super league games plus friendlies regardless of how much money is being thrown at them.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, people notoriously hate it when asked to work a lot less often for more money.

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15 minutes ago, Gotters said:

 

English clubs, nobody gives a toss about Celtic/Rangers Cardiff/Swansea or Cobh Ramblers.

What have Cobh Ramblers got to do with anything? 

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Just now, bear said:

What have Cobh Ramblers got to do with anything? 

 

or Celtic for that matter.

 

Lot of mutually assured destruction and game theory going on with this at present

 

The new super league revenue doesn't compensate clubs enough for not being in domestic leagues and the current champions league, its just a major upgrade on the CL/EL money, but that said the current league money won't be at the same levels without the biggest teams.

 

BT already said they're lukewarm on the idea (no surprise there) and Sky happily letting Gary Neville rant away (7pm MNF tonight should be good).

 

As power plays go this is a fascinating one. 

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Assuming these teams actually have left the ECA, then can't UEFA just fuck them off out of this years CL and UEFA, and next years as well, should they qualify. 

 

Should they leave the prem as well , premier league club's revenue will nosedive, and maybe we will end up back with local players in teams, etc. Might not be the worst thing ever. Also introduce a ruling that premier league and EFL clubs can only sell one player a year to an SL team. 

 

Whatever, this is just the start, and it's fucking disgusting. And won't go away in some form or another.

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1 hour ago, ryodi said:

The terrible new Champions League has been signed off for what it’s worth

 

 

 

This is all just like football's Brexit isn't it? Lots of shit decisions made by people who stand to make lots of money that you feel powerless to stop despite the obvious stupidity of it all.

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1 hour ago, ryodi said:

The terrible new Champions League has been signed off for what it’s worth

 

 

 

Second point was clearly written on a fag packet at midnight.

 

Also, how can there be 'one league' if there are only 10 games guaranteed for a team and there are 36 teams?

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1 minute ago, mrben09 said:

Assuming these teams actually have left the ECA, then can't UEFA just fuck them off out of this years CL and UEFA, and next years as well, should they qualify. 

 

Should they leave the prem as well , premier league club's revenue will nosedive, and maybe we will end up back with local players in teams, etc. Might not be the worst thing ever. Also introduce a ruling that premier league and EFL clubs can only sell one player a year to an SL team. 

 

Whatever, this is just the start, and it's fucking disgusting. And won't go away in some form or another.

 

The problem being that with the revenue nosedive, they won't be able to pay the players, staff, ground rent and other contractual agreements and will then run the risk of going bust.

 

the what, hey come join the ESL2,  then the same with international football, it will just become the International super world cup. 

 

Uefa and FIFA have had a monopoly on football for ages and just kept going for more money and more money, the Qatar world cup, the champions league being not just the champions, and this last thing of elite clubs keeping their places.... as mention above this is just the clubs going will we don't need you as middle men taking your cut, well just take our ball and sign our own deals.  

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1 hour ago, Dudley said:

 

 

Yeah, the whole MK Dons thing scared them a little but it'll happen.

 

And Chelsea quietly already tried this, an explanation you won't need if "CPO" means anything to you.

 

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So as part of saving the club a few decades back when they nearly lost the stadium, Chelsea's then ownership established the "Chelsea pitch owners" (CPO). This is a group of fans that anyone can buy into. It's actually done really well, they'll get any current player of your choice to sign the share certificate on behalf of the club, my dad is a member with a Lampard signed one.

 

The CPO is important.  They own the pitch, the turnstiles and crucially the name "Chelsea FC".  The club cannot move ground, much less country and use that name without their permission making one of the moves discussed above REALLY hard.

 

A few years ago the current ownership  tried to abolish it, it can be done with a majority (or maybe super majority) vote.  They packed the votes as best they could, they put out relentless bollocks about holding back the club on all channels.

 

It didn't work, that's ultimately why there was the proposal to redevelop the Bridge rather than move to Battersea or Earl's Court.  But it was transparently an effort to regain the control that would allow them to make those decisions.

 

I don't see how fans owning the pitch, turnstyles and the 'Chelsea' name would only be a barrier to moving within the UK (and nobody would want to do that anyway).

 

It's not as if 'Chelsea' has the same resonance and pull in world football as, for example, Barcelona or Juventus, so lifting and shifting to another country with a slight name change would be easy, if that was the desired result. There's essentially no protection unless the fans somehow owned the players; nothing else really matters.

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