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1 hour ago, bradigor said:

Chelsea beat them yes. But City will hit them with something different and Pep just wins finals

 

My money would still be on Chelsea, I can see Pep overthinking it and losing whereas Real Madrid City would beat easily. 

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4 minutes ago, Baring said:

Why hasn't the ref sent off Danilo there? I hope no City player gets injured here. Its not good at all. 

Sweep the leg.

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35 minutes ago, bradigor said:

Can't see either Chelsea or Madrid beating City in the final. So they can finally join Europe's elite.

Nah, Chelsea to win it, can't bear to City lift it tbh.

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Apparently the ref swore at a couple of PSG players a few times and they are crying about it. So is Poch.

Players are only too happy to say whatever they like to each other, and the ref, but the moment he swears back they start crying.

Maybe the ref shouldn't be swearing but don't give it if you can't take it.

 

Didn't a ref square up to a player that swore at him or something recently in a league one game?

I think he got in trouble for it too.

The players all lost their shit then too.

 

Also, how good was Dias yesterday.

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Not surprised the ref had the hump with the way PSG were hassling him and told them to fuck off, especially Verrati and Herrera doing those weird Italian style fingers which look like reverse bird beaks pointing to their own mouths whilst they hunch their shoulders.

 

I'm still not ruling Real out of winning this thing, as a team I regard Liverpool as pretty lucky in the CL over the years, but Zidane almost makes them look cursed in comparison

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39 minutes ago, Lucky said:

Apparently the ref swore at a couple of PSG players a few times and they are crying about it. So is Poch.

Players are only too happy to say whatever they like to each other, and the ref, but the moment he swears back they start crying.

Maybe the ref shouldn't be swearing but don't give it if you can't take it.

 

Didn't a ref square up to a player that swore at him or something recently in a league one game?

I think he got in trouble for it too.

The players all lost their shit then too.

 

Also, how good was Dias yesterday.

Yep, it was an Ipswich Town game, he got a few games "off" ;)

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Got to love the moral compass of players who get upset that a ref has got fed up with their shithousery and sworn at them, whilst also making cynical fouls designed to hurt the opponent. 
 

You can have all the money in the world but you can’t buy class. 

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22 hours ago, SeanR said:

“On paper” etc etc

 

Matches aren't played on paper, although having stood on the pitch at Kennilworth Road they should probably consider giving it a try.

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14 hours ago, Sirloin said:

That’s 10 red cards for PSG in the CL this season. That’s pretty crazy. Need a complete clear out.


No, 10 cards in total (Ligue & CL) isn’t it?

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On 04/05/2021 at 13:47, Plissken said:

what more exactly do you fucking want?

 

Thought it was worth sharing the numbers for you, just to give a picture of what it is, in comparison to the debt-free, within its means model it was.

 

£790million – the amount it cost the Glazer family to acquire a controlling stake in United in 2005.

 

£550million – the total debt immediately loaded on to the club as a result of the Glazers’ takeover. This was made up of £275million of  ‘payment in kind’ hedge fund loans at an initial 14.25% interest rate, and £265million of bank loans.

 

£3.05billion – the club’s current valuation, according to Forbes. Barcelona (£3.5billion), Real Madrid (£3.4billion) and Bayern Munich (33.06billion) are valued higher.

 

£526million – United remain in debt to the tune of over half a billion pounds, 16 years after the takeover. In the Premier League, only Tottenham have larger debts but at least they have a new stadium to show for it. At Old Trafford, the roof is leaking. Before the Glazers, United had no debts.

 

£5.9billion – the revenue generated by United in the 15 years up to 2020 under the Glazers’ ownership

 

£5.4billion – the club’s expenses during the same period, which includes £2.9billion spent on player wages and £1billion on player amortisation.

 

£467million – total operating profit in 15 years since 2005.

 

£817million – the total amount paid in interest over the 15-year period up to 2020 to service debts, an average of £54million (or one Fred) per season.

 

£1.005billion – the net spend on players under the Glazers to 2020. United spent £1.4billion on new arrivals; they made £400million from player sales.

 

£1.073billion – the total amount spent to finance the Glazers’ ownership in the form of interest payments (£704million), debt repayments (£244million) and dividends (£125million)

 

£496million – the amount spent on interest payments between 2010 and 2020, more than all the other Premier League clubs combined. United’s total is £356million more than the second-highest amount (Arsenal, £140million)

 

16 per cent – the share of United’s £6.8billion expenditure spent on financing the debts.

 

£185million – the amount spent on club infrastructure at Old Trafford and Carrington. Five Premier League clubs, including Brighton, have spent more in the last 10 years.

 

£22.2million – the average dividend paid per year over the five years from 2016 to 2020.

 

£336million – the rise in revenue under the Glazers between 2005 and 2020. But Manchester City (£417million) and Liverpool (£370million) have enjoyed bigger growth in the same period.

 

£94million – the growth in broadcasting revenue, an increase of 204%. But Chelsea (£130million, 247%), Liverpool (£152million, 305%), Manchester City (£166million, 686%)  and Tottenham (£107million, 373%) have all enjoyed larger growth in the same period.

 

£224million – the growth in commercial revenue between 2005 (£55million) and 2020 (£279million). Manchester City have enjoyed the same growth, from £22million to £246million – 1026%

 

£3million – the negligible growth in commercial revenue from 2017 and 2020. Other big six clubs’ commercial growth over the same period: Tottenham – £86million; Liverpool – £80million; Chelsea – £37million; Man City – £28million; Arsenal – £25million.

 

£1.1billion – the gap in revenue between United (£5billion) and the Premier League’s next highest earners, Manchester City (£3.9billion), between 2010 and 2020.

 

£118.1million – the fall in revenue (£509million from £627.1million) up to June 30, 2020.

 

£23.2million – the annual loss made by United up to June 30, 2020.

 

£23million – the amount in dividends paid out to shareholders by United, mainly to the six Glazer siblings (around £18.5million), in the same period.

 

£7billion – according to The Guardian, a valuation of the club the Glazers are keen to achieve in the long-term, more than double its current value. What the f*ck would that look like?

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Now list the number of trophies, Champions League qualifications, finals etc that they have got to in that time and also compare that against every other Premier League club.

 

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3 minutes ago, Plissken said:

Now list the number of trophies, Champions League qualifications, finals etc that they have got to in that time and also compare that against every other Premier League club.

 

 

But that isn't the point, it's not about comparing Utd to Burnley or any other smaller teams in terms of spending/wages

 

It's about comparing Utd to their peers in terms of performance, and then looking at whether the Glazers have financially benefited or been to the detriment of the club.

 

Compared to the money men at Real, Barca and possibly Inter/Juve they don't actually look that bad, but in reality Utd should be firing financially above all other clubs with the EPL money, huge global fanbase and European TV cash.

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Disagree. They’re up against a petro state and a billionaires plaything in the EPL. Against clubs that are run as businesses they’ve still outperformed everyone else.

 

Financially they’re in a far better place that Real, Barca, Inter and Juve, three of which are virtually bankrupt.

 

Ultimately, like I said, either it’s a football club or a business. Pick one. This is just trying to have your prawn sandwiches and eat it.

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18 minutes ago, Plissken said:

Now list the number of trophies, Champions League qualifications, finals etc that they have got to in that time and also compare that against every other Premier League club.

 

 

We've done this upstream. I only assume you can't read. I'll leave you to it.

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1 hour ago, Plissken said:

Ultimately, like I said, either it’s a football club or a business. Pick one. This is just trying to have your prawn sandwiches and eat it.

 

That thinking just seems a bit naive, top level clubs have been businesses for at least 20y now despite how they try to present themselves to the world as somehow more than that, its not an either/or.

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2 hours ago, Plissken said:

Now list the number of trophies, Champions League qualifications, finals etc that they have got to in that time and also compare that against every other Premier League club.

 

How many since Ferguson and David Gill left? Since Woodward started playing Fantasy Football and buying players not because they’d fit a style or need but because they were marketable. Ed Woodward the investment banker, in charge not because of any previous football experience but because he was the banker at JP Morgan that brokered the deal to borrow all that money in Utds name.

 

The mismanagement is monumentally poor with massive amounts wasted on ridiculous contracts.

 

The theft of over a billion pounds in interest, dividends and repayments is scandalous.It was only possible because Utd were already the biggest and most profitable in the country before the leeches arrived.

 

The Glazers have brought nothing but a financial burden, leeching money and splintering a fan base. With a 20 million dividend taken every season because... well, why not?

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Good luck to Chelsea in their quest to earn the right to play Manchester City in a cup final, surely a once in a lifetime opportunity.

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37 minutes ago, Stoppy2000 said:

I can imagine Ramos is very short odds to get sent off. 

Nacho too - more of a shithouse today than Ramos at the moment.

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