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1 hour ago, Dudley said:

So this is your last chance to try and field your team, get them to play as a team, historically one of England's major problems.

 

And you start a player not even in the squad?

 

The Man United, Chelsea and Man City players are having a week off after the 2 European finals, i don't know why people keep bringing this up. And Sancho is ill, Henderson still recovering. 

 

I'd have pretty much picked the exact side as Southgate did tbh given the players available. There's never going to be every player available at peak fitness and form. I don’t see why it's such a big deal that Lingard is playing despite not being taken. Alexander-Arnold is probably out so he's in contention now though it'll probably be Ward Prowse. I really doubt it will be Wan Bissaka. 

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8 hours ago, Loik V credern said:

 

The Man United, Chelsea and Man City players are having a week off after the 2 European finals, i don't know why people keep bringing this up. And Sancho is ill, Henderson still recovering. 

 

I'd have pretty much picked the exact side as Southgate did tbh given the players available. There's never going to be every player available at peak fitness and form. I don’t see why it's such a big deal that Lingard is playing despite not being taken. Alexander-Arnold is probably out so he's in contention now though it'll probably be Ward Prowse. I really doubt it will be Wan Bissaka. 

 

Then don't have the match, it's entirely pointless.  All you've done is injured a starter, put another game into players who've already basically played 2 seasons and injured a starting player.

 

It's a friendly. It's there to inform decisions you make at the imminent major tournament and you're not doing that.

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2 hours ago, Dudley said:

Then don't have the match, it's entirely pointless.  All you've done is injured a starter, put another game into players who've already basically played 2 seasons and injured a starting player.

 

It's a friendly. It's there to inform decisions you make at the imminent major tournament and you're not doing that.

 

It's likely more complicated than just "don't have the match". It would have been scheduled long before it was known that three of the four European finalists were English clubs containing a sizeable chunk of the squad. Cancelling late on would be extremely poor form and disrespectful to opponents who are also in the Euros and would be using the game for their own preparation, and don't need to be scrabbling around for an opponent at short notice.

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It's not preparation for the tournament though.

 

1 hour ago, Fry Crayola said:

 

It's likely more complicated than just "don't have the match". It would have been scheduled long before it was known that three of the four European finalists were English clubs containing a sizeable chunk of the squad. Cancelling late on would be extremely poor form and disrespectful to opponents who are also in the Euros and would be using the game for their own preparation, and don't need to be scrabbling around for an opponent at short notice.

 

It's also poor form and disrespectful to play such a 2nd string team you're starting people you've just said aren't good enough to be in the first 23. 

 

If you have to have the match, then treat it like one.

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13 minutes ago, Dudley said:

It's not preparation for the tournament though.

 

It was for Austria. And if that's related to my response to NeoElite, it was for France, Scotland, Wales, Netherlands and every other qualifier who played.

 

I was surprised to see Lingard on the field too. However, I don't pay much attention to the England team, so I don't really know if his appearance there was to allow Southgate to play his preferred match tactics, rather than playing exclusively those in his squad of 23 but having to adjust to suit who's available.

 

To say it's not preparation because it includes those not in the squad is too simplistic. Though of course, if it is the case that enough of the tactics and the players used last night aren't going to be employed competitively, then it's a bit of a waste.

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1 minute ago, skadupuk said:

 

I can only assume its cheaper than buying someone...*sigh*

 

 

You should be happy, he scored more league goals than Mane or Firminho last season and I'm sure he wasn't just putting in a bit effort at the end of the season as his contract ran out.

 

Danny Welbeck always seems to manage 5 games without injury when his is up too. 

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15 minutes ago, Gotters said:

 

You should be happy, he scored more league goals than Mane or Firminho last season and I'm sure he wasn't just putting in a bit effort at the end of the season as his contract ran out.

 

Danny Welbeck always seems to manage 5 games without injury when his is up too. 

 

At Palace its referred to as "doing a Tommy Black"

 

Incredibly talented yet lazy player who put in 8 of the greatest performances in years in a Palace shirt after doing fuck all for 3 years, getting his new contract and then doing fuck all again.

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Arsenal have had so many of those over the years. Ozil, Adebayor, Ramsey, Walcott, Sanchez, Aubameyang even Flamini all went on unprecedented runs of form where they were unplayable for months on end and had fans tearing their own faces off in desperation to keep them. They all then either left or settled back to mean or worse before the ink was dry on their new deal. Maybe it's just coincidence. 

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7 hours ago, Dudley said:

Then don't have the match, it's entirely pointless.  All you've done is injured a starter, put another game into players who've already basically played 2 seasons and injured a starting player.

 

It's a friendly. It's there to inform decisions you make at the imminent major tournament and you're not doing that.

 

It's not pointless, it allows us to see players who haven't played much for England like Saka, Grealish, Bellingham, all who are sure to either start or play a part, to see them again and for Jack to improve his fitness. Alexander-Arnold was injured but that can happen in any game or in any training session. The formation, Trippier at left back, how Mings is likely to get sent off, Southgate is taking things from every game. 

 

I'd prefer the players to get more than a week off, sure. 

 

I think taking Maguire is a mistake. Southgate has messed up his centreback choices and not previously given call ups to players who would have given him more options now. It probably won't matter anyway, England are conceding against any opposition. 

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Whenever I see/hear Rashford talk he comes across really well and I believe he's totally behind his own initiatives, this isn't some PR guff the likes of Rooney did to rehabilitate their image, I believe he wants to do this because of his own upbringing and is the driving force behind it.

 

I just hope the scum press don't 'get him' - there is probably quite a large price on his head for dirt and I hope he doesn't do anything daft that lets people deflect the conversation away from what he's trying to achieve.

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31 minutes ago, Gotters said:

Whenever I see/hear Rashford talk he comes across really well and I believe he's totally behind his own initiatives, this isn't some PR guff the likes of Rooney did to rehabilitate their image, I believe he wants to do this because of his own upbringing and is the driving force behind it.

 

I just hope the scum press don't 'get him' - there is probably quite a large price on his head for dirt and I hope he doesn't do anything daft that lets people deflect the conversation away from what he's trying to achieve.

He doesn't need to do anything for the press to 'get him' - they did Sterling for buying his mum a nice house didn't they? 

They are probably hoping for a Rashford penalty miss in the Euros though...

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5 hours ago, Art Vandelay said:

Arsenal have had so many of those over the years. Ozil, Adebayor, Ramsey, Walcott, Sanchez, Aubameyang even Flamini all went on unprecedented runs of form where they were unplayable for months on end and had fans tearing their own faces off in desperation to keep them. They all then either left or settled back to mean or worse before the ink was dry on their new deal. Maybe it's just coincidence. 

Adebayor even did it for Spurs as well. I seem to remember he looked good when he turned up on loan. He promptly went to shit. But to be fair he had a lot of trouble in his private life. 

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1 hour ago, Gotters said:

Whenever I see/hear Rashford talk he comes across really well and I believe he's totally behind his own initiatives, this isn't some PR guff the likes of Rooney did to rehabilitate their image, I believe he wants to do this because of his own upbringing and is the driving force behind it.

 

I just hope the scum press don't 'get him' - there is probably quite a large price on his head for dirt and I hope he doesn't do anything daft that lets people deflect the conversation away from what he's trying to achieve.

 

He's a very grounded lad, and surrounds himself with smart people where the politics is concerned. Should be OK.

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23 minutes ago, Sirloin said:

The betting markets are pricing Ireland at about the same level as Malta at the moment. They can’t carry on like this surely.

 

I was chatting with my mate last night about maybe betting against Ireland just to get something out of it.

 

Didn't in the end, but Ireland were given less chance of winning by the bookies than Montserrat last night against the US Virgin Islands.

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1 hour ago, Gotters said:

Whenever I see/hear Rashford talk he comes across really well and I believe he's totally behind his own initiatives, this isn't some PR guff the likes of Rooney did to rehabilitate their image, I believe he wants to do this because of his own upbringing and is the driving force behind it.

 

I just hope the scum press don't 'get him' - there is probably quite a large price on his head for dirt and I hope he doesn't do anything daft that lets people deflect the conversation away from what he's trying to achieve.

I've got a man utd supporting acquaintance who always finds the opportunity to tell Rashford to "go back to being a dinner lady" every time man utd don't win, regardles of whether he played or not, the press don't need any dirt on him.

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A close friend has told me that Kane has just paid £100,000 for a golfing permit at Beaverbrook (old Churchill place in Surrey) suggesting he’s staying in the South and that his agent has let slip he’s off to Chelsea...

 

Admittedly he does also question the Moon landings...

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