DC Megathread

[IcEBuRN]

10 minutes ago, George Clooney said:

There’s a bunch more going around about what’s planned now too, with the speculation that the new guys in charge are effectively gonna reboot the DC movie verse.  Reports of Aquaman 2 being the characters swan song and Mamoa being tapped up for a Lobo movie, which he’s very interested in doing.  While they’re now expecting Black Adam to turn a profit, it’s not been nearly as successful as they’d hoped (and despite The Rocks attempts to paint it otherwise on Twitter) so talks of a sequel are reportedly not so keen now.  Cavil has shot more cameos (at least one for Flash) which may not be used now, as despite them getting him back, they are unsure about doing a Man of Steel 2 either, leading to people thinking they’re cutting ties with the current casting to potentially reboot.  The Pattison Bats films are unaffected as they’re considered separate to the main DC film universe, same with the Joker sequel.  Gunn and the other guy I can’t remember are presenting their pitch/vision for the future this week to Warner, though I imagine itll be a while before we hear much of what come of it, as at this point I assume it’d all be for future projects that aren’t in progress yet.  It’d be a shame if the get rid of some of the old casting though - Robbie is perfect as Harley, and I’d love see her get that film with Ivy in, Cavill I’m sure would be great in a better Supes film.

 

Of course this could all be bollocks and we hear of Black Adam vs Superman announced next week.  The Rock sounds a bit delusional though, he compared BA to the first Cap film, which they’ve done similar takings to, but also implying it’s also a “foundation of building a new universe”…..he knows they’ve had nearly 10 years of films already, doesn’t he?

 

 

I hope this shit came from one of those talking heads on YouTube. And not somewhere credible. 

[Nick R]

34 minutes ago, IcEBuRN said:

I hope this shit came from one of those talking heads on YouTube. And not somewhere credible. 

 

It's from The Hollywood Reporter:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/wonder-woman-3-not-moving-forward-dc-movies-1235276804/

[George Clooney]

51 minutes ago, IcEBuRN said:

I hope this shit came from one of those talking heads on YouTube. And not somewhere credible. 

It’s been covered by a few geek/comic news sites but no reports on how credible the sources are, aside from WW3 which has been confirmed, and Gunn and pal presenting their vision to DC soon.

[Gambit]

They should just build it all around Pattinsons The Batman. That movie was actually good.

 

I haven't looked on twitter but I assume the Snyder Cult are all having full blown meltdowns.

 

[makkuwata]

Folks on r/DC_Cinematic have seen better days.

 

Spoiler

Not a lot of them.

[monkeydog]

In response to this story Gunn said on Twitter:

 

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So. As for the story yesterday in the Hollywood Reporter, some of it is true, some of it is half-true, some of it is not true, & some of it we haven’t decided yet whether it’s true or not.

 

He talked a bit more about the challenges of taking the DC reins. He ends the thread with this (in)famous Alex Ross piece.

 

Pants on the outside future confirmed!

 

[RubberJohnny]

Cavill ending his role on the Witcher and getting only a shite cameo in Black Adam for his trouble might be one of the decisions of all time, if true.

[Sexton Hardcastle]

DC comics division spent YEARS making bone-headed convoluted decision after decision in a pointless attempt to align all their various universes/realitys/multiverses/earths etc. None of their actual customers cared too much as they just wanted a decent product. In fact nobody really seemed to clamour for it outside of DC editorial, but they have however spent ridiculous money on relaunches & new versions, and many people have lost jobs by not being able to give them a magic fix because DC probably don’t even know themselves what they want. It’s been going on for virtually as long as I’ve been reading comics & they’ve never managed to be happy with the fixes they apply before going off in another pointless quest to reset their books. 
 

The same madness is now infecting the movie department. Clearly the public do not give a shit about all this as the success of Joker & Batman shows. Nobody was confused by those movies not having various JL members or any cross-brand synergy. If the new creative teams also spend time worrying about this shit then it’s yet more of a waste of time & money that benefits nobody except Nerd-Crew esque YouTubers. 

[cassidy]

1 hour ago, Sexton Hardcastle said:

DC comics division spent YEARS making bone-headed convoluted decision after decision in a pointless attempt to align all their various universes/realitys/multiverses/earths etc. None of their actual customers cared too much as they just wanted a decent product. In fact nobody really seemed to clamour for it outside of DC editorial, but they have however spent ridiculous money on relaunches & new versions, and many people have lost jobs by not being able to give them a magic fix because DC probably don’t even know themselves what they want. It’s been going on for virtually as long as I’ve been reading comics & they’ve never managed to be happy with the fixes they apply before going off in another pointless quest to reset their books. 
 

The same madness is now infecting the movie department. Clearly the public do not give a shit about all this as the success of Joker & Batman shows. Nobody was confused by those movies not having various JL members or any cross-brand synergy. If the new creative teams also spend time worrying about this shit then it’s yet more of a waste of time & money that benefits nobody except Nerd-Crew esque YouTubers. 

Can't argue with a single word of that post. 

 

Im just gonna have faith in Gunn.  It's all I got left. 

[IcEBuRN]

 

1 hour ago, cassidy said:

Can't argue with a single word of that post. 

 

Im just gonna have faith in Gunn.  It's all I got left. 

To take a positive slant on things. It seems they are cleaning house a bit, so maybe they have vision.

[drmick]

The current DCCU is unsalvageable. With the greatest respect to those bits of it which are decent- the whole thing needs rebooted.

[Stig]

19 minutes ago, drmick said:

The current DCCU is unsalvageable. With the greatest respect to those bits of it which are decent- the whole thing needs rebooted.

 

I think the actors they have in place are good and they could easily head into a new phase with them all, but jist make better decisions with writers and directors.

[glb]

Feels like they're chasing after something that just isn't there in the same way it was four or five years ago. Marvel knocked things out the park with the scope and scale of their MCU, at least until Avengers: End Game. That felt like a closing point in growth for cinematic superhero adventures, and led to much more focus on series. Spider-Man: No Way Home made fortunes, but feel like a Spider-Man movie where he sits in the bath and eats Cheezits would probably take $750m minimum due to the overwhelming popularity of that character.

 

The DCU films are averaging around $500m worldwide (WW) since 2010, which is healthy enough, although interestingly two of their biggest performers were the non-DCU The Batman ($770m WW) and Joker ($1b WW) Tying everything together is creatively restrictive unless you have a perfect storm of talent attached both in front of and behind the camera to see those decisions through. Disney likely thought they could replicate the MCU's success with Star Wars but, cinematically at least, completely shat the bed with one of the most divisive modern trilogies.

 

Think Warner would be better off striving to lean into their bankable assets (would love a film akin to The Batman for Supes, even if that's a tough ask with the limitations of the character), exploring some of their quirkier characters in relatively smaller budget films (Shazam! made a respectable $360m WW off an $85m budget*) while also exploiting the appeal of characters like Harley Quinn and Aquaman while they have the charming Margot Robbie and Jason Momoa attached to those properties.

 

*LOL, Black Adam made a little more off double the budget. Yeesh.

[jonathanhoey]

On 08/12/2022 at 10:13, George Clooney said:

There’s a bunch more going around about what’s planned now too, with the speculation that the new guys in charge are effectively gonna reboot the DC movie verse.

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Cavil has shot more cameos (at least one for Flash) which may not be used now, as despite them getting him back, they are unsure about doing a Man of Steel 2 either, leading to people thinking they’re cutting ties with the current casting to potentially reboot. 

 

 

Cavill just posted this on social media a few minutes ago:

 

[Festoon]

Bad news for Liam Helmsworth, I guess.

[Festoon]

Cavill exists so that DC can endlessly shaft him.

[JohnC]

Gunn has also shot down a report that Pattinson would be taking over as the mainline Batman. His version remains its own separate thing.

[JohnC]

Gunn's said their plans for DC will be further detailed in the new year. But Cavill won't be Superman because they're initially going back to an earlier part of his life. But not an origin story, just earlier. There seemed to be a sort of implication that Cavill could return later on, though I'm not sure Cavill's own statement suggests he's that open to it.

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“Peter and I have a DC slate ready to go, which we couldn’t be more over-the-moon about; we’ll be able to share some exciting information about our first projects at the beginning of the new year."

 

“Among those on the slate is Superman. In the initial stages, our story will be focusing on an earlier part of Superman’s life, so the character will not be played by Henry Cavill."

 

“But we just had a great meeting with Henry and we’re big fans and we talked about a number of exciting possibilities to work together in the future.”

 

 

[SaintAnselm]

5 hours ago, Festoon said:

Cavill exists so that DC can endlessly shaft him.

He was a shit Superman anyway.

[Captain Kelsten]

Good superman in shit films. Just like Batfleck. 

[makkuwata]

Bond it is then.

[Nick R]

5 hours ago, JohnC said:

Gunn's said their plans for DC will be further detailed in the new year. But Cavill won't be Superman because they're initially going back to an earlier part of his life. But not an origin story, just earlier. There seemed to be a sort of implication that Cavill could return later on, though I'm not sure Cavill's own statement suggests he's that open to it.

 

 

He also replied to a few questions on Twitter:

 

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Being part of the slate I assume it's a movie?

Yes.

 

Are u writing/directing?

I am writing (and have been for a while). We don’t know who is directing yet.

 

Please tell me this isn’t an origin movie. 🙏

No way.

 

Could @BenAffleck direct?

Met with Ben yesterday precisely because he wants to direct & we want him to direct; we just have to find the right project.

 

[RubberJohnny]

Honestly the back room drama has been more interesting than their shit films over the last few days.
 

WB accusing the Rock of leaking internal files to try and make it look like Black Adam wasn’t a flop (which he probably did because he’s mad insecure)

 

Patty Jenkins making dramatic posts on Twitter about WW3 not happening and how she was definitely not fired from all the projects with big studios that keep falling through.

[yakumo]

I can't see MCU picking up Cavill despite him being an excellent pick for Hyperion, Captain Britain or numerous other roles. Due in part to his attachment to Superman would be jarring, though I can see them making it work if they did. I do feel bad for the guy, yeah he's rich, handsome, and loves Gaming and 40K but to announce he was Superman and then be fired, to leaving Witcher isn't great. 

 

Guy needs to be the next James Bond at least.

[Gabe]

They have properly stitched Cavill up, and it shows another level of incompetence up above, too. 

 

I can't believe that in none of the, I'm sure, lengthy contract negotiations with Gunn that discussion around casting of one of their premier franchises wasn't brought up. So to then let Cavill announce it is incredible. If they weren't sure of the direction, don't say anything! If it was contingent on Black Adam doing well - don't say anything! It's not hard, sheesh.

 

At this point it almost looks deliberate to screw Cavill over so publicly. 

[makkuwata]

Cavill is only 4 years younger than Routh. I wonder just how young they intend to recast if he isn’t doing the origin.

[yakumo]

Cancel Aquaman so Jason Momoa can be recast as Lobo

[makkuwata]

It’s a bit of an open secret.

 

[George Clooney]

Pretty much confirmed now that the current slate of DC is dwindling down, Gunn wants both Cavill and Affleck back but not as Supes or Batman, they want to start afresh and with Supes in particular, Gunn is already writing something.  
 

It’s also going around that DC wanted The Rock to do a cameo for Shazam 2, which he refused, with him apparently saying to Warner execs “I’m here to play in the big leagues”.  There’s also a rumour that he’s fiddled then numbers he’s said recently to try and save face on how poorly Black Adam is doing, and that his “I wanted a solo film to set both Black Adam and Shazam up properly and then clash” is bullshit, and similar to the previous rumour mentioned he’s not interested and wants Black Adam vs Superman for the sequel.

 

Again, could all just be bullshit, but he doesn’t seem to be hyping the idea of him fighting Shazam now either….

 

Oh, lastly, if you want a laugh, check out YouTube Angryjoes reaction to the news of Cavill not being Superman again, I can’t remember the last time I saw someone throw such a man baby like tantrum.

[Gambit]

Surely if you sign up for a Black Adam film you know at some point you'll fight Shazam. Also that film was one of the highlights of the DC films so fuck knows what Dwayne is talking about.

 

He manages his image so carefully I'd be amazed if anything about him is real at this point.

 

I'm on Team Vin Diesel.