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23 minutes ago, Talk Show Host said:


If the settings are different then the graphics will be different as well. It doesn’t matter much to the average consumer but you really don’t need negativity when launching a new product like this and especially when you have claimed as a company that the only difference will be the resolution. This whole things rests on the ability of the S to deliver what the SX delivers but for a non 4K. crowd.

 

I don't think consumers are going to care if there's a little more stair stepping in volumetric effects or SSAO isn't quite as dark as look on the X.  That's the kind of stuff that makes all the difference to performance but isn't going to be noticed that much.  It's the same feature, just scaled back a little.

 

For the moment, it's all cross gen titles anyway.*  The S probably will manage the same settings as X for these.  In a year or two the S will either be a success or not and no one other than DF viewers will care about the S's performance differences.

 

*Aside from The Medium and Precum Alien Willy Adventure.

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13 minutes ago, monkeydog said:

 

I don't think consumers are going to care if there's a little more stair stepping in volumetric effects or SSAO isn't quite as dark as look on the X.  That's the kind of stuff that makes all the difference to performance but isn't going to be noticed that much.  It's the same feature, just scaled back a little.

 

For the moment, it's all cross gen titles anyway.*  The S probably will manage the same settings as X for these.  In a year or two the S will either be a success or not and no one other than DF viewers will care about the S's performance differences.

 

*Aside from The Medium and Precum Alien Willy Adventure.


Mainstream consumers don’t care about the details. What they do care is brand awareness and hearsay. If they listen or read on the internet that Microsoft has lied or they need to read an elaborate piece about the stages of ray tracing in order to decide on their purchase, Microsoft would have lost them.

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What are the new games scheduled for release day? Be interesting to see how they compare on series x vs series s and whether the difference is noticeable on a decent 4K telly. 
 

I think the difference in storage is maybe the big reason for choosing x over s. 500gigs is fuck all for this gen, I was constantly shuffling stuff around on my PS4. Games are only going to get bigger. 

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3 minutes ago, Talk Show Host said:


Mainstream consumers don’t care about the details. What they do care is brand awareness and hearsay. If they listen or read on the internet that Microsoft has lied or they need to read an elaborate piece about the stages of ray tracing in order to decide on their purchase, Microsoft would have lost them.

 

Agree on the hearsay point, but for now, I just don't think they'll be differences to cause that hearsay. 

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1 minute ago, the_debaser said:

What are the new games scheduled for release day? Be interesting to see how they compare on series x vs series s and whether the difference is noticeable on a decent 4K telly. 
 

I think the difference in storage is maybe the big reason for choosing x over s. 500gigs is fuck all for this gen, I was constantly shuffling stuff around on my PS4. Games are only going to get bigger. 

 

By the time you've got 4k textures, both the Series X and PS5 SSDs won't have loads of space. It really depends on how much deduplication is possible in practice for the likes of Assassins Vahalla.

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1 minute ago, the_debaser said:

Are they going to have 2 versions of each game then, one with lower res textures for series s?

 

It'll depend if developers bother, but that's what Xbox's smart delivery is about.  The XSX will download the 4k versions and the S the low res ones.

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Possibly silly questions but I've never done it... are we expecting to be able to pre-order consoles direct from Microsoft once they go live as well as retailers? Will we be able to use Xbox credit towards it?

 

I've just realised I have about £20 sat on there and putting the S down to £229 sounds very appealing :) 

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Worth a read if you are looking at going the finance option - whilst cheaper on paper it does come with strings.

 

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-09-09-xbox-all-access-the-best-way-to-buy-an-xbox-series-x-or-xbox-series-s

 

Also worth noting that if you have the money buy the console outright GPU deals are quite frequent and you are likely to save a lot more doing it that way.

 

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5 minutes ago, Quexex said:

Worth a read if you are looking at going the finance option - whilst cheaper on paper it does come with strings.

 

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-09-09-xbox-all-access-the-best-way-to-buy-an-xbox-series-x-or-xbox-series-s

 

Also worth noting that if you have the money buy the console outright GPU deals are quite frequent and you are likely to save a lot more doing it that way.

 

Aren’t the “strings” pretty much the same as entering into any credit agreement? Also there’s no guarantee the price of GP ultimate won’t rise or that they will clamp down on the deals available in the next 2 years. 

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Hmmm.  I was definitely leaning towards the Series S but have just discovered that here in Singapore the Series X will be the equivalent of £399 whilst the Series S will be £259.  I have a 4K TV so perhaps the Series X makes most sense.  I’d be happy with either to be honest!

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2 hours ago, K said:

It does feel like a bit of a waste of £200-worth of GPU and RAM when all it really does is allow a 2160P display, rather than a 1440P one. I feel like you could probably do something a bit more interesting with all that processing power than a not-all-that noticeable increase in resolution.


Don’t forget you’re getting a Blu-ray drive and twice the SSD capacity for that £200. 
 

I agree about 4K but despite what MS say their targets are, they’re not going to be telling CD Projekt Red or Ubisoft what resolution their games need to be. 
 

The main reason I’m still getting a Series X is because I’m hoping for more 1440/60 performance mode options, and also because the big complex next gen games will probably drop 4K which could mean the Series S resolution ends up back down at 1080p or maybe even lower. 

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1 hour ago, Dudley said:

I would assume all access will also have the standard mobile phone contract "We can increase it by RPI" clause too.

It’s not a phone contract though. It’s paid via klarna and the total cost is debited up front from your new credit account. 
 

From the klarna side of things it’s just an interest free loan. You can pay it all off at any point. 
 

There will be no increase in monthly payments. 

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So, as someone who has always been on the Series X train and have card ready, where is the best place to -pre-order this. I'm torn currently between walking down to Game and getting some meagre Game points for the wallet or SimplyGames (or someone similar). I haven't got a console on Day One since the Dreamcast so this is all a tad new...

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