Hogwarts Legacy - Not as good as Dog Kid University

[Rex Grossman]

4 minutes ago, PaB said:

That’s doesn’t make the personal choice to make small sacrifices any less valid. 
 

 

 

I agree. People do seem to be getting defensive on that point though.

[Uncle Mike]

I do think it's somewhat fair comment to say that boycotting this is a low-hanging fruit. Like, the general age-bracket of people here are surely too old to be Harry Potter fans anyway (different if you've got kids, of course!), it doesn't look like a very interesting/good/unique game, JKR's views are widely-understood and regressive, there's more than enough decent games literally everywhere you look for any FOMO to be all that crippling.

 

Surely that just makes it all the easier decision though? Is anyone really desperate to get into this? It looks lame, and the owner of the IP is a dick. That's the end of my thought process to not buy it. If I need to think harder on it, then I realise I've got people I know that the owner of the IP is very anti- their existence and well, it's not like that's making the decision any harder.

 

If Steve Jobs were standing on stage every Apple conference and explaining at length that all that exploitative child labour is a good thing actually, because he hates kids, that makes that call a little easier also!

[Unofficial Who]

40 minutes ago, Rex Grossman said:

I think the point that @Mallet was clumsily making is that too many people are happy to make tiny sacrifices but will weasel out of making the big sacrifices.

 

There's been a few of us who've put up examples of other games we've personally skipped for reasons as well. I've quite happily admitted several times in this thread that skipping HP won't be a big deal for me as JK's views have burned away most of the love I had for the world. (ymmv of course.) And I don't have kids so I don't have any pressure there. By continuing to engage in this thread I'm totally open to accusations of virtue signalling. I mean I have an interest but again ymmv in how that is judged.

 

It's been a far bigger deal in our household over the past couple of years to skip Blizzards and Ubisofts releases from the past couple of years.

 

I'm interested to see where the discussion goes on this thread once the game is released. I'll be following in interest to see where the game splits (or doesn't split) from JK's current projects but from my point of view at that point the die is cast, there's little point in repeating my previous posts.

 

edit: And at least no-one has been making the argument that "by personally skipping the game you're making the developers suffer so really you're duty bound to buy the game even if, no actually especially if you have issues regarding x y or z."

Edited January 25 by Unofficial Who

[Rex Grossman]

5 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

I do think it's somewhat fair comment to say that boycotting this is a low-hanging fruit. Like, the general age-bracket of people here are surely too old to be Harry Potter fans anyway (different if you've got kids, of course!), it doesn't look like a very interesting/good/unique game, JKR's views are widely-understood and regressive, there's more than enough decent games literally everywhere you look for any FOMO to be all that crippling.

 

Surely that just makes it all the easier decision though? Is anyone really desperate to get into this? It looks lame, and the owner of the IP is a dick. That's the end of my thought process to not buy it. If I need to think harder on it, then I realise I've got people I know that the owner of the IP is very anti- their existence and well, it's not like that's making the decision any harder.

 

If Steve Jobs were standing on stage every Apple conference and explaining at length that all that exploitative child labour is a good thing actually, because he hates kids, that makes that call a little easier also!

 

I'm actually surprised so many people in this thread are interested in buying the game.

 

Not because I'm shocked they would support something to do with JKR (gamers' lack of empathy is legendary) but because it doesn't seem to be the sort of thing many people here would be interested in.

[thesnwmn]

6 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

I do think it's somewhat fair comment to say that boycotting this is a low-hanging fruit.

 

And then you dismiss all of that and say it's obvious no one should be buying this because of these easy choices.

 

We should just (imo) acknowledge that they're easy for us.

 

If you do love HP and you don't think it looks shit (or that it reviews well) then the remaining argument is your take on JKR's opinions or what buying the game means in relation to that.

 

Which is really the discussion of course.

[Uncle Mike]

It would be definitely a harder choice for me if Bungie came out as a pile of assholes, for sure. But then, my interest in the next Diablo has waned significantly in the wake of Acti-Blizz's well-publicised dickheadery, so who knows where I'd end up? I'd like to think that I'd make a considered choice if it was something I actually liked.

[Unofficial Who]

Just now, Rex Grossman said:

 

I'm actually surprised so many people in this thread are interested in buying the game.

 

Not because I'm shocked they would support something to do with JKR (gamers' lack of empathy is legendary) but because it doesn't seem to be the sort of thing many people here would be interested in.

 

Just now, thesnwmn said:

 

And then you dismiss all of that and say it's obvious no one should be buying this because of these easy choices.

 

We should just (imo) acknowledge that they're easy for us.

 

If you do love HP and you don't think it looks shit (or that it reviews well) then the remaining argument is your take on JKR's opinions or what buying the game means in relation to that.

 

Which is really the discussion of course.

 

I know a lot of Harry Potter fans in their 30's and 40's who have the same nostalgia for Harry Potter like I do Star Wars. I think almost all of us are drawn to Star Wars games due to our age even if they look like shit.

 

And a lot of people's kids are interested and too young to even be aware of the writer's political views on gender identity. Would I buy this game for my kids? Nope. Should you take my advice on how to parent a kid? Hell no. I have no kids and quite frankly if I decided to tell the parents in this thread what they should let their kids watch or play they would be well within their rights to tell me to shut the fuck up. (And of course I come from a time when adults around me thought that Life of Brian was inappropriate to watch at the age of 14 while at the same time actual washing out of a kid's mouth with actual soap for saying a bad word was seen as the done thing!)

 

If your kids want this game by all means by get it for them. It might even be a chance to open a dialogue with them if they start talking about JK's views on gender. More likely they'll just engage with it as what it is. A game. Hopefully the plot isn't as awful as some of the trailers suggest.

[Strafe]

21 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

 

 

If Steve Jobs were standing on stage every Apple conference and explaining at length that all that exploitative child labour is a good thing actually, because he hates kids, that makes that call a little easier also!

 

It would be the ideal opportunity to slip that bad news out as everyone would be distracted by the necromancy.

[Opinionated Ham Scarecrow]

I've never read or seen anything HP. Kinda missed that whole boat, but I am  interested in this game cos I'm a sucker for a big open world RPG. Not touching this with a shitty stick (money) though.

 

Double shame, cos I really like Avalanche Studio, but hey, no way am I lining Rowling's cursed pockets.

[thesnwmn]

Oh I love(d) HP a low more than I ever loved Star Wars. And I'm 39.

 

I've enjoyed Star Wars to an extent but it's never felt like mine. It's always felt like this marketing train I'm getting on when I watch it.

 

HP was massive when I was at uni. The penultimate books. The first few movies.

 

It's completely waned now and I've little to no interest. But I am not surprised to find adults who love it at all.

[macosx]

Still getting it. Love HP and went took parents to Universal and had a butterbeer with my dad. Great memories. 

[Unofficial Who]

1 minute ago, Opinionated Ham Scarecrow said:

I've never read or seen anything HP. Kinda missed that whole boat, but I am  interested in this game cos I'm a sucker for a big open world RPG. Not touching this with a shitty stick (money) though.

 

Double shame, cos I really like Avalanche Studio, but hey, no way am I lining Rowling's cursed pockets.

 

The movies (especially the early ones) were kind of magical. I haven't gone back but for several years they defined our Christmases and were kind of central to our friends coming together for a shared activity. In the same way as Lord of the Rings as well (which I'm still pretty fond of.) Which is why I can understand the massive draw this has.

 

I mean if Tom Hanks came out as the worst and we were talking about a game based on the Polar Express this would be an open and shut thread. We'd be duty bound to burn every copy.

[LaveDisco]

It’s very easy for me to boycott a game I have no interest in ever playing. But If FromSoft had teamed up with JK instead of Grrm would I have boycotted? If I’m honest? Probably not. 
 

Does that make me a bad person? Yeah, probably. Ethical consumption in capitalism is hard. As is separating art from the artist. Oooof. 
 

 

 

[Floyd]

18 minutes ago, Rex Grossman said:

 

I'm actually surprised so many people in this thread are interested in buying the game.

 

Not because I'm shocked they would support something to do with JKR (gamers' lack of empathy is legendary) but because it doesn't seem to be the sort of thing many people here would be interested in.

 

It's an open world fantasy RPG. Whether you like harry potter or not, this was always going to be popular. I'm not a big potter fan. I read the first book when I was 11, at school. I've seen maybe the first few potter films which I enjoyed. Though I do enjoy the fantasy aspect of it anyway. I would think people are gagging for a good solid western fantasy RPG. I cant remember the last good one? Might have been Witcher 3  

[Mogster]

5 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

Like, the general age-bracket of people here are surely too old to be Harry Potter fans anyway (different if you've got kids, of course!)

Harry Potter has always appealed to people way outside the original target age group. I started reading them in my late teens, but there were people far older than me queuing to buy the books on launch day. It was a widely reported phenomenon.

 

Until Rowling's transphobic views came out I still loved Harry Potter. I went to see The Cursed Child a few years ago and thought it was fantastic. I went to see Fantastic Beasts as well, which was, well.

 

I would definitely be interested in this game if it wasn't for Rowling's views.

[sbrandon111]

Being unable to separate the game / franchise from a major player in the real life product is difficult for some, as in where does it end? Do you boycott all WWE programming and games because Vince Mcmahon has done some very questionable acts (allegedly). Do you not wear any Hugo Boss items because of the German Uniform issues in WW2. Do you boycott American Football because of OJ Simpson? Very pedantic examples but just trying to highlight my point of where does it end?

I fully understand why some people would want to not buy the HP game, that's their choice. My personal opinion is that if it reviews well, i'll buy it because i want to play it. Probably on sale or second hand. There's likely a load of good and decent people that worked on the game, possibly even members of the trans community, who knows. 

I certainly wouldn't judge someone on what video games they decide to spend their own money on.

[Hexx]

4 minutes ago, Floyd said:

 

It's an open world fantasy RPG. Whether you like harry potter or not, this was always going to be popular. I'm not a big potter fan. I read the first book when I was 11, at school. I've seen maybe the first few potter films which I enjoyed. Though I do enjoy the fantasy aspect of it anyway. I would think people are gagging for a good solid western fantasy RPG. I cant remember the last good one? Might have been Witcher 3  

 

AC - Valhalla maybe>?

[Floyd]

3 minutes ago, Hexx said:

 

AC - Valhalla maybe>?

 

Well, yes, If you'd count that as fantasy. I'm thinking more dragons, wizards and goblins fantasy 

[Unofficial Who]

2 minutes ago, Mogster said:

Harry Potter has always appealed to people way outside the original target age group. I started reading them in my late teens, but there were people far older than me queuing to buy the books on launch day. It was a widely reported phenomenon.

 

Until Rowling's transphobic views came out I still loved Harry Potter. I went to see The Cursed Child a few years ago and thought it was fantastic. I went to see Fantastic Beasts as well, which was, well.

 

I would definitely be interested in this game if it wasn't for Rowling's views.

 

I would have been in my mid 20's and my ex-partner and I found them incredibly readable at the time. My current partner used to be heavily involved in Potter fandom. I don't think anyone here could argue that it wasn't a legit phenomenon. We bought the books day one and I remember reading with some amusement that in the UK there were reprints with more adult looking covers for people worried about being judged on the train. (The reprints had dull Patricia Cornwell style blacks and greys.)

 

5 minutes ago, sbrandon111 said:

Being unable to separate the game / franchise from a major player in the real life product is difficult for some, as in where does it end?

 

I mean it ends in one of two places. Some have issues separating art from the artist. Some don't. I don't think we're going to solve that in this thread.

[Kryptonian]

26 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

if Bungie came out as a pile of assholes

 

I was very cross about them 'sunsetting' stuff which made them a lot less appealing for me.

[Hexx]

5 minutes ago, Floyd said:

 

Well, yes, If you'd count that as fantasy. I'm thinking more dragons, wizards and goblins fantasy 

 

Spoiler

They get a bit fantastical with Pieces of Eden/Precursor tech affecting stuff and making magical real (e.g. undead valkeriyies)

But take your point

 

[Rex Grossman]

I get that it's an open world RPG and that will have appeal here but the fact it's based on children's books and there's so many more games than there are hours in the day I'm just surprised many Rllmuk people care.

[sbrandon111]

We have a very diverse bunch here at RLLMUK with varying opinions, backgrounds and outlooks which i think is great

[Kryptonian]

3 minutes ago, Rex Grossman said:

but the fact it's based on children's books and there's so many more games than there are hours in the day I'm just surprised many Rllmuk people care.

 

I've never read any of them but just looked it up and the first book came out when I was still at high school. Children then have a tendancy to become adults with the passage of time so it doesn't seem that surprising does it?

[Rex Grossman]

6 minutes ago, Kryptonian said:

 

I've never read any of them but just looked it up and the first book came out when I was still at high school. Children then have a tendancy to become adults with the passage of time so it doesn't seem that surprising does it?

 

It's well aware of the passage of time but I wouldn't have thought there was so much crossover between people who are big enough fans to want this game and the sort of joyless cynics that inhabit this forum.

 

We're a pretty snobby lot in general. And Harry Potter is not something for snobs.

[deerokus]

46 minutes ago, Floyd said:

 

. I would think people are gagging for a good solid western fantasy RPG. I cant remember the last good one? Might have been Witcher 3  

Divinity original sin 2 probably the last great one but it's hardly an ignored genre.

[Uzi]

1 hour ago, Opinionated Ham Scarecrow said:

I've never read or seen anything HP. Kinda missed that whole boat, but I am  interested in this game cos I'm a sucker for a big open world RPG. Not touching this with a shitty stick (money) though.

 

Double shame, cos I really like Avalanche Studio, but hey, no way am I lining Rowling's cursed pockets.

Prob not the avalance studio you're thinking of (mad max? just cause?)

[Opinionated Ham Scarecrow]

5 minutes ago, Uzi said:

Prob not the avalance studio you're thinking of (mad max? just cause?)

 

Is it not? Had no idea there were more than one tbh!!

 

(Edit) My god, these guys have quite the CV 🤣 If there was any interest, consider it quashed lol.

[Uzi]

2 minutes ago, Opinionated Ham Scarecrow said:

 

Is it not? Had no idea there were more than one tbh!!

[Opinionated Ham Scarecrow]

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