Hogwarts Legacy - Not as good as Dog Kid University

[Unofficial Who]

30 minutes ago, Festoon said:

It would an acutely ahistorical mind to imagine that making a braying racket about this case without a single mention that it doesn't apply to all trans people would be like the papers in the 80's focusing on gay paedophiles.

 

She knows exactly what she's doing.

 

80's? We had someone doing that on the now deleted Catholic thread a mere ten years ago.

 

27 minutes ago, Darren said:

I think it’s fairer to say she thinks trans people don’t really exist, and everyone claiming to be trans is lying for nefarious reasons, which can include getting into situations where they can more easily rape women.

 

And the thing is it's open to interpretation. It's not flat out saying it, it's the breadcrumb thing of leading you so far and doing the whole "look, just sayin' " thing.

 

Again, probably more appropriate for the other broader thread in off topic than here in the Hogwarts Legacy thread where people might want to talk about all the preview videos up on PlayStation Access rather than be put off buying the game.

[Hexx]

17 minutes ago, Rex Grossman said:

I personally think that’s a stretch but the fact that JKR is anti-trans rights is all we need for this thread and I don’t think anyone will dispute that. 

 

No you're right. She also thinks a lot of them are confused children preyed up by Trans Activists making them trans and looking to erase women.

 

 

[Trumpets]

27 minutes ago, Darren said:

I think it’s fairer to say she thinks trans people don’t really exist, and everyone claiming to be trans is lying for nefarious reasons, which can include getting into situations where they can more easily rape women.

 

From what I can tell, she believes trans people exist (in the sense that there are men who live as women and vice versa), and that many/most trans people are genuine in believing they are the opposite gender, and if they want to live like that by and large that's up to them.

 

But she also thinks that if you have male genitalia then regardless of what you believe you're not actually a woman and you shouldn't be in women only spaces like bathrooms and changing rooms.

[Uncle Nasty]

2 minutes ago, Trumpets said:

 

From what I can tell, she believes trans people exist (in the sense that there are men who live as women and vice versa), and that many/most trans people are genuine in believing they are the opposite gender, and if they want to live like that by and large that's up to them.

 

But she also thinks that if you have male genitalia then regardless of what you believe you're not actually a woman and you shouldn't be in women only spaces like bathrooms and changing rooms.

 

I'm seriously out of the loop on all of the JKR controversy, I just ignore or scroll past it, but is this accurate? Is this the cause of all the controversy?

[Broker]

57 minutes ago, Unofficial Who said:

 

80's? We had someone doing that on the now deleted Catholic thread a mere ten years ago.

 

 

And the thing is it's open to interpretation. It's not flat out saying it, it's the breadcrumb thing of leading you so far and doing the whole "look, just sayin' " thing.

 

Again, probably more appropriate for the other broader thread in off topic than here in the Hogwarts Legacy thread where people might want to talk about all the preview videos up on PlayStation Access rather than be put off buying the game.

Nah, if people want to buy this they should have to look the hatful bigotry it’s supporting right in the eye and accept that the shit looking wizard game is more important to them than the rights of oppressed people. 

[Unofficial Who]

1 hour ago, Uncle Nasty said:

 

I'm seriously out of the loop on all of the JKR controversy, I just ignore or scroll past it, but is this accurate? Is this the cause of all the controversy?

 

If you want to get the new Harry Potter game you might want to remain ignorant because then any ethical questions about buying the game or not boils down to "do I like the look of this Harry Potter game?"

 

In answer to your question it's complicated, too long to cover in one post and this probably isn't the thread for it.

[macosx]

1 hour ago, Uncle Nasty said:

 

I'm seriously out of the loop on all of the JKR controversy, I just ignore or scroll past it, but is this accurate? Is this the cause of all the controversy?

I too was totally out of the loop bar reading about the stars of the movie online and on here that JK Rowling was transphobic/Hitler/a ghoul. Since then I’ve read countless articles and watched a load of videos.

 

where is this hatefilled bigotry? I don’t see her saying the trans community shouldn’t exist. All I see her saying that she loves/supports the trans community and would march  with them if they were persecuted. She believes in biological sex, which I’ve seen some trans community videos supporting too. They pointed out to actually make a transition you have to be biologically male or female.

 

I believe that everyone should be addressed how they wish and live their lives as they wish and should be treated with respect, but the only thing I can see she has done is stand up for biological woman’s rights and spout some medical quackery on that essay she wrote. The rest as has been said is open to interpretation. Unless I’ve totally missed something.

 

[Zael]

8 minutes ago, macosx said:

I too was totally out of the loop bar reading about the stars of the movie online and on here that JK Rowling was transphobic/Hitler/a ghoul. Since then I’ve read countless articles and watched a load of videos.

 

where is this hatefilled bigotry? I don’t see her saying the trans community shouldn’t exist. All I see her saying that she loves/supports the trans community and would march  with them if they were persecuted. She believes in biological sex, which I’ve seen some trans community videos supporting too. They pointed out to actually make a transition you have to be biologically male or female.

 

I believe that everyone should be addressed how they wish and live their lives as they wish and should be treated with respect, but the only thing I can see she has done is stand up for biological woman’s rights and spout some medical quackery on that essay she wrote. The rest as has been said is open to interpretation. Unless I’ve totally missed something.

 

 

You should talk to some trans people about this. 

[dreamylittledream]

2 hours ago, Uncle Nasty said:

 

I'm seriously out of the loop on all of the JKR controversy, I just ignore or scroll past it, but is this accurate? Is this the cause of all the controversy?

Essentially yes, although as has already been posted she also takes a dim view of how trans children have been treated and suggested they maybe being pressured into transitioning at too young an age.

 

The rest of it really more links to who she has liked on Twitter some of whom have much darker views.

[Majora]

Oh god, are we about to have a bunch of straight cis men explaining to the trans community why they shouldn't be upset at J K Rowling again? 

[Uncle Nasty]

1 minute ago, dreamylittledream said:

Essentially yes, although as has already been posted she also takes a dim view of how tran children have been treated and suggested they maybe being pressured into transitioning at too young an age.

 

The rest of it really more links to who she has liked on Twitter some of whom have much darker views.

 

Thanks, I appreciate the follow-up. I was reading things like "the witch is advocating trans genocide" and "she wants us all dead" which did seem strong.

 

Difficult to pick the bones out of such a contentious subject when you haven't followed it.

[Zael]

Also funding a women rape crisis centre that excludes trans women, attacking Scotland's Gender Recognition legislation by calling Sturgeon a "destroyer of women's rights", promoting a store that sells anti-trans merch with tshirts like "F**k your pronouns" & "transwomen are men".

 

There are lots and lots and lots of reasons trans people feel attacked by JK Rowling. Lots of trans people have spoken up about this, it takes like 10 seconds to find someone talking about how they've felt persecuted by JK Rowling. So I'm a little bit stumped about how someone can "read countless articles" or "watch a load of videos" and come out not finding any hate filled bigotry. Even Frank Drebin could work this case and pull out some sus examples.

[Protocol Penguin]

51 minutes ago, Majora said:

Oh god, are we about to have a bunch of straight cis men explaining to the trans community why they shouldn't be upset at J K Rowling again? 

Conservatives gonna conservative, right? I mean, saying Rowling isn’t transphobic is like trying to claim that Nigel Farage isn’t overtly xenophobic and racist, and just has ‘valid concerns’ about foreigners.

[ZOK]

54 minutes ago, Zael said:

Also funding a women rape crisis centre that excludes trans women, attacking Scotland's Gender Recognition legislation by calling Sturgeon a "destroyer of women's rights", promoting a store that sells anti-trans merch with tshirts like "F**k your pronouns" & "transwomen are men".

 

There are lots and lots and lots of reasons trans people feel attacked by JK Rowling. Lots of trans people have spoken up about this, it takes like 10 seconds to find someone talking about how they've felt persecuted by JK Rowling. So I'm a little bit stumped about how someone can "read countless articles" or "watch a load of videos" and come out not finding any hate filled bigotry. Even Frank Drebin could work this case and pull out some sus examples.

I would say it’s easy to come out with that view, if the only videos about Rowling you watch or articles you read are from ‘Gender Critical’ bigots.

 

The evidence for Rowling’s bigotry towards trans people is, as you say, a matter of record and plain for all to see. You will not see it though if you are either choosing to remain ignorant for your own reasons, or you share that same bigotry towards trans people yourself.

[Festoon]

Whoops, eh?

 

 

[Unofficial Who]

Again this is discussion best moved over to the thread in off topic for a couple of reasons. One is we've had this discussion many times there, you'll probably find posts that explain why some aren't so charitable regarding JK Rowling. And it's more likely people on both sides of the debate will feel more comfortable posting in Off Topic than in Discussion on this.

[MK-1601]

1 hour ago, macosx said:

I too was totally out of the loop bar reading about the stars of the movie online and on here that JK Rowling was transphobic/Hitler/a ghoul. Since then I’ve read countless articles and watched a load of videos.

 

where is this hatefilled bigotry? I don’t see her saying the trans community shouldn’t exist. All I see her saying that she loves/supports the trans community and would march  with them if they were persecuted. She believes in biological sex, which I’ve seen some trans community videos supporting too. They pointed out to actually make a transition you have to be biologically male or female.

 

I believe that everyone should be addressed how they wish and live their lives as they wish and should be treated with respect, but the only thing I can see she has done is stand up for biological woman’s rights and spout some medical quackery on that essay she wrote. The rest as has been said is open to interpretation. Unless I’ve totally missed something.

 

TERFs are keen on using faux civility to be able to claim plausible deniability, so I do have some sympathy for how you could believe some of the mindbending statements in that second paragraph there. Rowling has let the mask slip about 27 billion times at this point though? She's not quite as relentlessly underpants-on-head bananas as Linehan yet (probably as she still has a full time job and some semblance of legal / PR advice) but she's clearly moving along the same radicalisation pipeline.

 

Rowling's new pals are at best pathetic grifters and at worst funded by the US anti-abortion evangelical right, with a couple of literal neonazis chucked in for lols.

 

 

[Petrousgyre]

6 hours ago, Rex Grossman said:

She is literally not literally saying that.

 

It doesn’t do the cause any good to say ‘see, she says all trans people are rapists’ when she’s talking about a high-profile rape case.

She literally is.

 

Her tweet again “Deeply amused by those telling me l've lost their admiration due to the disrespect I show violent, duplicitous rapists.” 

 

Nobody has lost their admiration for Rowling for speaking out about this one rapist - it’s her position on trans people in general over several years that people have found appalling. She knows this.  Here it is her that clearly attempts to conflate the two in a transparent and characteristically abhorrent fashion. Surprised this needs pointing out. 

 

[Strafe]

44 minutes ago, Festoon said:

Whoops, eh?

 

 

Mansion’s allegations* came out in February ‘21. Tweet is dated January ‘20, so not really a whoops.

Allegedly her team were meant to send them to 80’s singer Marilyn (who had defended her publicly, I think) but sent them to Manson in error.

 

*I say allegations because I don’t think they were proven. I don’t doubt them, personally.
 

[Rex Grossman]

1 hour ago, Petrousgyre said:

She literally is.

 

Her tweet again “Deeply amused by those telling me l've lost their admiration due to the disrespect I show violent, duplicitous rapists.” 

 

Nobody has lost their admiration for Rowling for speaking out about this one rapist - it’s her position on trans people in general over several years that people have found appalling. She knows this.  Here it is her that clearly attempts to conflate the two in a transparent and characteristically abhorrent fashion. Surprised this needs pointing out. 

 

We all know what she’s doing but I don’t think there’s evidence she thinks trans women are all rapists.

 

I can’t believe we’re going round in these circles. Everyone knows she is fiercely anti-trans rights and is connected to Hogwarts Legacy (like she is connected to everything Harry Potter). 

 

There’s a thread in off topic for those who want to dissect or defend every comment she makes but this thread is meant to be about a) the game and b) how her firmly established position is putting many people off the game.

 

People coming into the thread telling us JKR doesn’t like trans people are just repeating the same things. Everyone knows. 

 

 

[teddymeow]

Just seen an advert for this on All4 during an episode of Pottery Throwdown and my 7 year old, who is just starting to discover the Harry Potter books and films, looked at me and said "that looks a bit rubbish".

 

I couldn't agree more. 

[Zael]

42 minutes ago, Rex Grossman said:

People coming into the thread telling us JKR doesn’t like trans people are just repeating the same things. Everyone knows. 

 

I don't think this is how things played out in this thread.  People came in and challenged the idea that JKR is anti-trans. At that point you should expect a response.

 

[Hexx]

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6 hours ago, Trumpets said:

 

From what I can tell, she believes trans people exist (in the sense that there are men who live as women and vice versa), and that [b]many/most trans people[/]are genuine in believing they are the opposite gender, and if they want to live like that by and large that's up to them.

 

But she also thinks that if you have male genitalia then regardless of what you believe you're not actually a woman and you shouldn't be in women only spaces like bathrooms and changing rooms.

 

 

Evidence please - because everything I’ve read she makes sweeping attack statements as though they apply to a large section. Her ‘essay’ is full of them for instehcrd 
 

I’ve never seen her qualify it like you’ve done for her?

 

And your second bit is bollocks. You don’t have to limit it to safe spaces. She’s doesn’t believe trans women are woman full stop. You don’t need to downplay it with unwarranted caveats. 

[Festoon]

 

Stepping away from rage-fuelled, Tory granny, coincidence penname-sharing-with-famous-gay-conversion-'therapist' authors:

 

Incidentally, game-wise, I don't think this looks rubbish but there's obviously pop-up that is a result of trying to optimise for consoles too late, and, weirdly, there's strange motion-capture jank between poses that I would've though would be smoothed out pre-release but hasn't been. 

 

I suspect there's a certain amount of 'looks ok in screenshots' perspective from management here - I feels like Avalanche are trying to do a CD Projekt Red in the sense that they're trying to step up in the developer world as an AAA company.

 

Also, by slavishly copying the Witcher 3 in every respect too, obviously.

[Hexx]

4 hours ago, dreamylittledream said:

Essentially yes, although as has already been posted she also takes a dim view of how trans children have been treated and suggested they maybe being pressured into transitioning at too young an age.

 

The rest of it really more links to who she has liked on Twitter some of whom have much darker views.

I mean if you entirely ignore her transphobia trope laden essay which was her first real escalation point after she received criticism sure. That’s all she’s done and we can go on.

[Unofficial Who]

6 hours ago, Uncle Nasty said:

 

Thanks, I appreciate the follow-up. I was reading things like "the witch is advocating trans genocide" and "she wants us all dead" which did seem strong.

 

Difficult to pick the bones out of such a contentious subject when you haven't followed it.

 

There's a summary by Jessie Earl that covers some of the reasons why some Rowling fans have walked away. Link in...the thread in Off Topic.

 

(It's also three hours long which gives people the out of "lol! Too long!" if they want.) I can't talk to the quality of it yet because I've only watched a fraction of it.

[fragglerock]

For the lazy...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GBUArD51KY

 

[cultofweaver]

For those who have decided to inexplicably continue to give Rowling the benefit of the doubt, yesterday she was getting pally on Twitter with an extreme right, anti-abortionist, convicted child rapist because she agreed with her. 

 

If she is actually as innocent and misunderstood as some seem to think she must be the thickest fucking idiot to ever walk the earth. 

[Thor]

Yeah, as much as I really like, not only the look of the game, but the idea of it, I just can't in good conscience buy it. I was on the fence for a while, and I still feel that many are taking this stand because its very easy for them to do so, but that's by the by, J.K. Rowling is a ghoul who should not receive another penny while espousing such vile and backward views. 

[footle]

ResetEra referenced by some extremely online journalist?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hogwarts-legacy-game-faces-boycott-in-jk-rowling-trans-row-69bdjbnn5