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Hogwarts Legacy - Not as good as Dog Kid University

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Petrousgyre

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16 hours ago, Rex Grossman said:


We all know what she’s doing but I don’t think there’s evidence she thinks trans women are all rapists.

 

I can’t believe we’re going round in these circles. Everyone knows she is fiercely anti-trans rights and is connected to Hogwarts Legacy (like she is connected to everything Harry Potter). 

 

There’s a thread in off topic for those who want to dissect or defend every comment she makes but this thread is meant to be about a) the game and b) how her firmly established position is putting many people off the game.

 

People coming into the thread telling us JKR doesn’t like trans people are just repeating the same things. Everyone knows. 

 

 

 

A confusing posts in many respects. You claimed initaily that she wasn't calling trans people rapists - lecturing the thead about how suggesting she did 'does the cause no good' yet here you've conceeded 'we all know what she's doing' but go on to decry a lack of evidence which is a such an odd stance I genuinely don't have the time to start unpacking it.

 

Beyond that, if it's ok with you and bluntly, even if it isn't; I'll continue to discuss the ramifications of a game and the author of the world it's set in in the relevant game thread. There's plenty of political discussion relating to games in GD, from the way woman are depicted in games to working conditions in studios. Why we should draw the line here is baffling to me. You seem conflicted on this subject, maybe work through your unresolved issues rather than trying to police what people write.

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Rex Grossman

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5 minutes ago, Petrousgyre said:

 

A confusing posts in many respects. You claimed initaily that she wasn't calling trans people rapists - lecturing the thead about how suggesting she did 'does the cause no good' yet here you've conceeded 'we all know what she's doing' but go on to decry a lack of evidence which is a such an odd stance I genuinely don't have the time to start unpacking it.

 

Beyond that, if it's ok with you and bluntly, even if it isn't; I'll continue to discuss the ramifications of a game and the author of the world it's set in in the relevant game thread. There's plenty of political discussion relating to games in GD, from the way woman are depicted in games to working conditions in studios. Why we should draw the line here is baffling to me. You seem conflicted on this subject, maybe work through your unresolved issues rather than trying to police what people write.

 

I lectured and policed no one, don't be such a patronising prick. The thread was covering this ground in circles well before you waded in. I know you've read other pages of it.

 

My point was making it all about her latest Twitter screeds felt like a totally different thread (in fact is already another thread) to the one that has become about the moral issues of supporting the game. Like I say, we all know what she believes. Someone coming in and saying 'oh, JKR has said something transphobic' doesn't take the discussion further now. But we're all going to post what we want, that's the nature of this sort of forum.

 

Meanwhile, claiming she said every single trans person is a rapist makes everyone opposing her views look crazy. This sort of sensationalism is self-defeating. It plays into her hands.

 

In short, you're a patronising prick.

 

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Petrousgyre

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2 hours ago, Rex Grossman said:

 

I lectured and policed no one, don't be such a patronising prick. The thread was covering this ground in circles well before you waded in. I know you've read other pages of it.

 

My point was making it all about her latest Twitter screeds felt like a totally different thread (in fact is already another thread) to the one that has become about the moral issues of supporting the game. Like I say, we all know what she believes. Someone coming in and saying 'oh, JKR has said something transphobic' doesn't take the discussion further now. But we're all going to post what we want, that's the nature of this sort of forum.

 

Meanwhile, claiming she said every single trans person is a rapist makes everyone opposing her views look crazy. This sort of sensationalism is self-defeating. It plays into her hands.

 

In short, you're a patronising prick.

 

 

Always a sure sign that your argument is on robust and well considered ground when you have to resort to infantile name-calling repeatedly. You of course did try and police the thread, you tried again just there - I'm well aware there's a thread in OT but given this thread is about the moral dimensions of supporting this game as you happily conceded then establishing JKR's blatant transphobia is as relevant in this thread as it is in that. That you think this has been established too often is of little interest to anyone, particularly in the face of a number of posters seeking to mitigate her naked hatred. 

 

Amazed that you're still trying to defend her tweet. Hang on one sec while I get my largest, self-illuminated patronising prick hat on and walk you though it again with bullet points:

"Deeply amused by those telling me l've lost their admiration due to the disrespect I show violent, duplicitous rapists"

 

Some pretty basic analysis:

  • No-one has lost admiration for Rowling for disrespecting violent duplicitous rapists.
  • JKR knows this.
  • They fell out with her due to her bigoted views on transgender people.
  • JKR knows this too.
  • In intentionally misstating what people are critical of her for - she has clearly and unequivocally conflated trans people with violent duplicitous rapists. 

 

You want to start poorly conceived discussions about how there's no 'evidence' as though parsing words and basic logic are somehow beyond us, or adolescent arguments about - 'well she's not saying absolutely every trans person is a rapist and those who say she did have mental health issues' then go for your life. Maybe throw in some sweary insults too. It's all deeply impressive stuff.

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"No-one has lost admiration for Rowling for disrespecting violent duplicitous rapists."

 

I think that bit is key. JKR and people like her have engaged primarily in dogwhistling. When she says something like that, her fans gather around and defend her by saying she's only talking about the people who are actual sex offenders. But Petrousgyre is right, none of this is happening because JKR is having a go at actual sex offenders. She's attacking trans people full stop and she uses dogwhistles like this because firstly she has an army of fans willing to defend her but also because there are even more people out there who want to give her the benefit of the doubt. 

 

It's like that tshirt store I mentioned yesterday. She tweeted a link to the store while she was wearing an inoffensive Harry Potter-esque tshirt. It's only when you go into the store and you see they have a category called "Gender Critical" with the aforementioned offending tshirt that you start to see the dogwhistle. It's very easy for her fans and those willing to give her the benefit of the doubt to say "hey she was just promoting a cool inoffensive tshirt. She never even mentioned the gender critical stuff". And I know Twitter is vicious and can pile on people on very little evidence. So I would be an advocate for giving someone the benefit of the doubt. But when someone keeps doing things that relies on the benefit of the doubt for the better part of 5 years then I can't keep giving it.

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Rex Grossman

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21 minutes ago, Zael said:

"No-one has lost admiration for Rowling for disrespecting violent duplicitous rapists."

 

I think that bit is key. JKR and people like her have engaged primarily in dogwhistling. When she says something like that, her fans gather around and defend her by saying she's only talking about the people who are actual sex offenders. But Petrousgyre is right, none of this is happening because JKR is having a go at actual sex offenders. She's attacking trans people full stop and she uses dogwhistles like this because firstly she has an army of fans willing to defend her but also because there are even more people out there who want to give her the benefit of the doubt. 

 

It's like that tshirt store I mentioned yesterday. She tweeted a link to the store while she was wearing an inoffensive Harry Potter-esque tshirt. It's only when you go into the store and you see they have a category called "Gender Critical" with the aforementioned offending tshirt that you start to see the dogwhistle. It's very easy for her fans and those willing to give her the benefit of the doubt to say "hey she was just promoting a cool inoffensive tshirt. She never even mentioned the gender critical stuff". And I know Twitter is vicious and can pile on people on very little evidence. So I would be an advocate for giving someone the benefit of the doubt. But when someone keeps doing things that relies on the benefit of the doubt for the better part of 5 years then I can't keep giving it.

 

Is this thread really full of people defending her?

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she just seems very unfortunate in "having links to" or "linking to" or "speaking up for" many people who turn out to be transphobic arseholes. If I linked to as many sources as she does that turn out to be transphobic arseholes I'd probably re-evaluate my outlook.

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1 minute ago, Rex Grossman said:

 

Is this thread really full of people defending her?

 

What does anything I said in that quote have to do with people in this thread?

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21 minutes ago, Zael said:

 

What does anything I said in that quote have to do with people in this thread?

 

Because yesterday you said this about the thread so I assumed you were talking about people in this thread just now. 

 

18 hours ago, Zael said:

People came in and challenged the idea that JKR is anti-trans. 

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15 minutes ago, Rex Grossman said:

 

Because yesterday you said this about the thread so I assumed you were talking about people in this thread just now. 

 

 

No I was talking about why JKR uses dogwhistles and how it benefits her. My comment yesterday was specifically referring to you saying everyone knows that she's anti trans, when there were clearly people coming in saying the opposite. 

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1 minute ago, Zael said:

 

No I was talking about why JKR uses dogwhistles and how it benefits her. My comment yesterday was specifically referring to you saying everyone knows that she's anti trans, when there were clearly people coming in saying the opposite. 

 

OK fair enough.

 

I guess my point of view on the thread is I think it's weird the way it's gone from 'the moral issues with buying this game because of JKR's beliefs' to 'let's list JKR's beliefs'. It just seems that the thread was past that point.

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1 minute ago, Rex Grossman said:

 

OK fair enough.

 

I guess my point of view on the thread is I think it's weird the way it's gone from 'the moral issues with buying this game because of JKR's beliefs' to 'let's list JKR's beliefs'. It just seems that the thread was past that point.

 

To be honest I did too until we had a few people come in and question how anti-trans she was.

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I've not been keeping an eye on this but I'm surprised at how good it looks. Reminds me a bit of Bully with better combat and stealth mechanics. I haven't cared about HP in about 15 years but would probably have lost my mind if they'd put this much effort into a Potter game when I was in my teens.

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So I quoted this from a piece by someone who used to correspond with Orson Scott Card.

 

https://www.wired.com/2013/10/enders-game/

 

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Once, early in our correspondence, Card and I talked about villains. I don't remember the exact words, but Card's advice stuck with me: to find something worth loving in every antagonist. It's the lesson that made Speaker for the Dead my partner's favorite book in the Ender series: that no one is all good or all bad; that most of us live the lives we think we have to.

 

Here's an example of that mess.

 

I won't repeat the case against supporting anything that might give money to JK Rowling. I have my biases here. Myself and others have made our case. Short version, some of the money she gets will most likely be used to platform anti trans views. She's a villain. Case closed.

 

Except real life isn't that black and white.

 

Because now we have this as another example of what she will spend her money on.

 

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/harry-potter-author-jk-rowling-helped-afghan-lawyers-flee-the-taliban/

 

 

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K Rowling secretly donated hundreds of thousands of pounds to save women lawyers as the Taliban swept back to power, it has emerged.

The Harry Potter author responded to appeals for help as the women and their families were at risk after Nato allies suddenly abandoned the country in the autumn of 2021. It is believed 508 Afghans were saved.

In the House of Lords on Thursday, Lord Alton revealed the author and Lord Hintze were involved in “a Schindler’s List moment” after human rights lawyer Baroness Helena Kennedy needed money for a rescue.

He was referring to the film about how industrialist Oskar Schindler saved more than 1,000 Jews from the Holocaust during World War Two.

He said: “Some 500 people were evacuated, all of whom, with their children and husbands, were on Taliban kill lists. I know that the noble Lord’s intervention, and that of the author JK Rowling, undoubtedly saved many lives.”

 

Which makes her a hero.

 

This probably gives those wanting to buy the game a clear conscience to a degree. Or at the very least makes this a much less black and white case than it was a couple of days ago.

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20 minutes ago, JPickford said:

 

I guess I meant where there was some sort of rule otherwise it would just go off the rails.

 

The post starter can state the thread is for the game only and link to this one for discussion on the politics surrounding it and the anti trans agenda of the creator. Hopefully that will allow it to work 

 

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Preposterous. Have you forgotten that the entire forum has had the megatiothreadorum curse put on it, which prevents anyone from being able to start a new thread?

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16 minutes ago, bradigor said:

 

The post starter can state the thread is for the game only and link to this one for discussion on the politics surrounding it and the anti trans agenda of the creator. Hopefully that will allow it to work 

 

 

We could call this the Hufflepuff thread and the other one Slytherin.

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