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1 hour ago, MK-1601 said:

If you think the scene in the synagogue had the old women (one of whom the film is dedicated to) as the butt of the joke you might want to watch the scene again with a functioning brain.


You like shit, unfunny, noncey films. If that’s your taste then fair enough. My taste differs and I think it’s a load of wank. 
 

38 minutes ago, Marlew said:

You know when someone's so fucking thick you want to shoot them with a cannon

 

Weird how the films that good, people are bizarrely more interested in my opinion of it, and in posting personal insults. Lovely stuff!
 

P.S if you can say I’m thick and you want to shoot me with a cannon then fairs fair.........I can say I think you’re a sad cunt. A massive sad cunt. Lol.

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I enjoyed this more than I expected. The film acknowledges the fact that SBC can’t walk down the street now without being recognised as his Khazak alter-ego, so it’s impossible to separate what’s real from what’s staged - and I think if you embrace that, you’ll have a better time of it. 
 

Given how many poor movie attempts he’s made over the years, I had written off the first Borat as a fluke of collaborative genius between SBC and Larry Charles, but actually, Subsequent Moviefilm proves this wasn’t the case. 

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I found this a horrendous headache and baffling, the way it mixes absurdity in its characters and plot with real life without any sense of the setup, it always edits situations down. The only thing in the film I am sure of being real is Rudy Giuliani reacting to what he thought was a a journalist. Everyone else I'm thinking; is that an actor. Is that a real person who agreed to act. Is that a real person who agreed to go along with this strange scenario. I don't understand what I'm missing here, you can only truly do a gotcha when the person is unsuspecting. Many real people in reality tv shows agree to do all kinds of things because they fulfill the demands asked of them, they fit a role. Human behaviour is all over the place now, there's constant aberrations, our culture and politics are sick, are priorities are backwards. There's very little truth or humility. 

 

I thought in Borat when he's at a stadium and shows photos of his family and they're explicit, that was funny. But that's it, I don't think there's many scenarios to be funny with the character without just being deranged. 

 

What are we to make of the two guys who share their home with Borat during the pandemic? Are we supposed to be roaring with laughter at them finding Democrats more dangerous than a pandemic? There's no gotcha because they're happy to declare their opinion? 

 

Sacha Baron Cohen tries to give the impression what he's really doing is absorbing all the insanity of America and spitting it back out because he finds it so abhorrent it's the only way he can react to it*. I don't think that's true, I think he just has a weird sense of humour. People assume that like Chris Morris he's a fiercely intelligent switched on guy. He's not. He's only just come out now and commented about politics and culture and he has a limited view on it all. 

 

*a bit like how the viciousness of Frankie Boyle comes from a place of deep compassion. Him telling the Katie Price joke is he says was a 'gag reflex' at her using her disabled son in the media. I don't think that's all true mind you, I do actually think he just plays with words in a dark way and couldn't help himself with that, like the wordplay came first then hating our culture gave him the urge to do it. His material on tories, paedophilia, war and the royalty absolutely come from a place of deep disgust first, then the jokes second. 

 

If comedy is about surprise I don't know where one scene after another of Borat and Tutar displaying extreme anti social behaviour in front of (apparently) unsuspecting real people doesn't become quickly boring, I can't imagine watching someone react to it in fits of laughter, but I've long accepted I'm not on the same wavelength as others at all. What we say is satire is mockery and so much of it is self satisfied and smug. 

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I thought it was very poor and barely raised a titter. It's impossible to allow interactions to happen naturally given the character's infamy, and so it felt much more manufactured and cartoonish. I rewatched the first film recently, as well as a compilation of the original segments, and it's a character which has progressively become broader, less revealing - and less funny. Almost all of the scripted segments pale alongside the interviews. 

 

The most interesting part of the sequel was seeing people recognise and react to Borat. I actually wish they'd pursued that idea, kind of like in Don Quixote part two where it's revealed that DQ exists in the real world, a world in which people have read DQ part one and so have certain expectations of his behaviour and they mock and imitate him. Cervantes then turns that idea to his own satirical ends. I think that would have been interesting, albeit it's easier to just point at bell-ends and say 'will this do?' 

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Well this was utter shit. Yes it was a lot more political than the first, but that doesn't mean it gets a bye for not being funny.

 

I'd be interested to know how many of the targets were actors.

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Yep I didn't believe almost any was real. 

 

It is interesting how some areas of the world can be mocked like central Asia while others can't - even if that mocking is to the point of ridiculous.

 

It seemed very dated. 

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6 hours ago, Marlew said:

it's a character which has progressively become broader, less revealing - and less funny. Almost all of the scripted segments pale alongside the interviews.

 

Yeah, it was all about gently coaxing out peoples prejudice especially in the form of their patronising patience with the character.
There was a lovely alchemy to some of the early stuff where you could see the bigots really warming to him, bonding over their shared hatred of foreigners or whatever.

 

You can tell a lot of it, while not scripted, is pretty stagy, everyone involved is there to make a TV show/film and they're just calmly reacting to what's presented to them, sort of like hired improv actors. Unfortunately they can't act naturally and the sort of shock comedy set-pieces they were going for get diffused if nobody reacts.

 

There were a couple of fun lines, but yeah, broad is the word, playing straight to the mankini crowd.

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Also watched this and didn't think much of it, it's like a whole movie of the bad plot scenes from the first one which just existed to give the improv a structure, and a lot of them go on forever without any laughs.

 

But that's not much of a surprise, I can't think of a single late comedy sequel/revival that hasn't been a bit pump, they're largely nostalgia cash-ins. The best bit was Country Steve, which was an entirely new character.

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I watched this with (Borat voice:) my wife, and

 

...to be honest that’s the post. That’s it. The film was reasonably entertaining, we laughed. Those two Jewish ladies were so sweet. I wonder if SBC could do a crossover show with Louis Theroux. 

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I would have been a lot more forgiving of this if it had been funnier, but it just wasn't working for me at all, for the most part. I rarely give up on a film, especially one that isn't exactly long anyway, but I didn't even make it to the Guiliani segment.

 

And along the lines of other posts, the complete blurring of the line between interactions with real people and either actors or, at the least, people somewhat in on the joke made it almost impossible to settle in and enjoy the film. The editing was also somewhere between manic and dishonest. I ultimately didn't believe anything it was portraying, which rather undermined any point it was attempting to make.

 

Fundamentally, it just wasn't a very good film, at all. I haven't seen the first film in a very long time - I'm not even sure I've seen it since my original viewing at the cinema - so I wonder how much I'd enjoy that now, and whether it's the whole concept and character that I struggle with now or if this was simply that much worse.

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It's definitely not as funny as the first film, all of the story stuff just flat out doesn't work, and the best joke in the movie isn't in there for some bizarre reason. Every time the golf lesson clip comes on the ads it makes me laugh out loud but weirdly it's been cut in favour of a load of plot that doesn't really add anything to the film and just isn't funny. 

 

But the Giuliani stuff was great, all the weird "it's noncey" chat in here, well yeah it's fucking supposed to be. The actress playing her is 24 and the idea is to hold a candle to the way American culture deals with young women. I also really liked that some people weren't awful bastards, not every "prank" has to be at someone's expense. I didn't find the bit with the Jewish ladies punching down, in fact it wasn't really punching at anyone. Rather than all the shit in the above post of the Trump voters attacking and screaming and shouting it showed two old ladies dealing with this awful shit of a man by calmly explaining why he was wrong. I found that to be pretty refreshing. 

 

 

As a comedy film, and the sequel to a very very good one, it's a 2/5. But there's some stuff in there that I really liked away from the laughs that sort of rescued it for me a bit. 

 

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It's always interesting to me how much more vitriol comedy films bring out compared to any other genre. I suppose comedy tends to be way more polarizing, for whatever reason. This is not pointed at anybody in particular here, this thread has just made for some good reading!

 

I enjoyed it overall, but it did drag in places. The actress who played Tutar was amazing though and I thought she bounced off Borat really well. It was way better than I expected it to be for sure.

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watched it last night/this morning

 

it's exactly the film it needs to be. 4/5

 

did anyone else find the room really dusty during the bit with the two old jewish ladies? Just me?

 

Also: it definitely starts as a shirt tuck. You see her untuck it before hand. HOWEVER, he switches from tucking to tugging.

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it IS weird just how much was cut from the trailer wasn't it? There might be an extended cut coming? I would prefer there to just be new random clips come out rather than an extended cut, I enjoyed it but don't think I could watch it again.

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