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On 02/10/2020 at 12:47, dumpster said:

But recently I was tidying the garage and ended up looking at the boxes of stuff I can't bear to get rid of.  The Atari, the Snes, Megadrive, Dreamcast, Wii, even a Philips CDi, it's all there on the off chance I want to set it up, but getting covered in dust for 362 days of the year.

 

I can emulate all of those consoles and play all those games on my computer if I want. 

e: I see emulators have already been mentioned. 

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21 hours ago, mushashi said:

 

It all eventually boils down to one simple thing, the almighty $$$.

 

People brag about emulators on PC, the only reason that works is because nobody is getting sued by somebody who feels like you owe them a cut (because people who use emulators are too small and numerous a target that's difficult to hit). If they could shut them down on PC, they would. It's usually never a technical feasibility problem blocking games from being added to official BC solutions, it's money.

 

You cant buy a Gamecube or GC games any more so when people download a GC emulator and play Metroid Prime, Ninentdo isn't losing any money. 

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There’s also the fact that emulators don’t need to offer full compatibility. If you download an emulator and it only runs 65% of games or they run slightly weird or certain cut scenes don’t work, people are going to be a lot more forgiving if the thing was free and it’s made by hobbyists. Official emulation solutions are going to be expected to run everything perfectly and maybe enhance it, and they’re seen as part of a console you bought.

 

What I think is interesting here is that everyone is so focused on what Sony aren’t doing, rather than being amazed and grateful that Microsoft are. Whilst the task is easier for them than it would be for Sony, they’ve still achieved something absolutely spectacular with their BC solution that must have cost them a massive amount, and they’ve given it away for free in a lot of cases. That’s a brilliant move, and they deserve massive praise for it, but a lot of people just seem to think that means they’re entitled to Sony doing the same.

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I'm sure that Microsoft have spent money they didn't *need* to spend in creating all the BC they have so far.  But the BC I have used in this generation has been very welcome and it's definitely steering me away from Sony for the next gen.  I've got a shelf in my main room that has Xbox One and Xbox 360 games on it. I have a box in the garage with all the PS3 stuff. Anything that slides one of my 3 current gen consoles towards being the 'main' one is surely beneficial long term.  BC and Gamepass have worked together to make the Xbox predominant in the room, and therefore predominant in my mind when it comes to upgrading.  The PS4 will get it's own box in the garage one day  but the Xbox stuff will be staying visible  , at hand, even when I replace the Xbox console with the next one, and the one after that. 

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18 hours ago, Stevie said:

 

You cant buy a Gamecube or GC games any more so when people download a GC emulator and play Metroid Prime, Ninentdo isn't losing any money. 

 

The problem with that is, you'd have said that same line but with "Super Mario Sunshine" 3 months ago.

 

Is the number of people who didn't buy 3d all stars because they can or have played SMS on their PC 0?

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I dont know much about Nintendo titles so I can’t answer your question. But a rule of thumb is that if you can’t play the original Metroid Prime on a modern Nintendo console then they are not losing money. 

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"They're not losing money" is a personal moral justification, not a sound legal argument.

 

It's not so long since Nintendo clamped down on ROM-hosting sites, so it's clear they have an issue with home emulation, they're just not going to target the individual users. Emulators themselves, if they don't infringe any copyrights or patents, aren't illegal, but downloading a BIOS generally is unless granted by the rights holder.

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On 12/10/2020 at 15:18, Stevie said:

I dont know much about Nintendo titles so I can’t answer your question. But a rule of thumb is that if you can’t play the original Metroid Prime on a modern Nintendo console then they are not losing money. 

One of my first posts here in 2004 was about the weird relationship between game purchasing, money changing hands and pre-owned.  At the time pre-owned was the main focus for EB and Game, HMV were trialling it.  I couldn't see why it was legal. No-one other than HMV or Game makes money when I buy a pre-owned Metroid Prime, but downloading it off a rom site is illegal because no-one involved in the making of the product makes any money.  So why is it legitimate to buy a game for a fiver from CEX but not to acquire it by other means? I'd imagine that Nintendo lose more sales because of the predominance of pre-owned in the specialist stores than they do from piracy and emulation because the pirate was surely not likely to buy the game in the first place  , where pre-owned tempts the customer away from the new copy towards a pre-owned one that may have been traded in and resold 5 times already. 

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Yes and no.
I couldn't do without it on pc, but I know what I'm buying into when it comes to console gaming, I don't expect it and it's never really swayed my purchasing decision when one had it and another didn't. I always saw the generation refresh as a chance to spring clean, give away or sell my old stuff and get some new games. I always stayed a generation behind though so I could get everything cheap!

I usually went with nintendo when I could only afford/justify one machine as they tended to have the most games I wanted to play.

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On 13/10/2020 at 14:07, Dudley said:

Unless they might want to release it later, at which they might lose  money if you played it recently illegally and thus don't buy the re-release.

If they released a new GameCube with all the good games I would buy it immediately. If they launched a platform (PlayStation Now) where you could play those games I would subscribe. 

 

On 13/10/2020 at 14:46, Fry Crayola said:

"They're not losing money" is a personal moral justification, not a sound legal argument.

 

 

It was the same before digital purchases. Give people the opportunity to purchase the product they want then companies will make a profit. I'm not defending piracy, never will, and I dont pirate games or music, but if companies are unwilling to adapt to the times then that's their own fault. 

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Emulation and piracy is absolutely the best way to keep the games (and other media) going if the rights holders don't want to, can't do it, or don't even know they own it. I fully support that.

 

But that won't stand up in court if anyone actually decided to pull you up on it. The good thing is there's not much chance of that happening.

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PS5 BC looks incredible. I thought the improvements were limited to a handful of games, but this makes it look like you'll see a benefit in most of your existing collection.  

 

 

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