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22 minutes ago, dumpster said:

none tried Moonligjt for streaming PC games to the Xbox? I want to try playing Yuzu on PC via my Xbox.  

yeah i use it,  generally works pretty well - was streaming spider-man miles morales from steam to it earlier no issue.   do you have a nvida or amd card? if its an AMD card you will need a programe called sunshine to stream to moonlight on xbox.   Moonlight also works pretty well it you have a jailbroken switch

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1 hour ago, dumpster said:

Cheers @papalazarou , the links on the discord don't seem to promote Moonlight any more. Is it still out there for Retail mode?

They don’t seem to put all the links up all the time - moonlight is def still on the go so maybe give it until the weekend when they put up the next link refresh to see if they include it -  the one they did two weekends ago had lots of stuff

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Got Moonlight working and went a bit Inception, playing Breath of the Wild on PC via emulation with enhanced graphics and a few cheats, streaming without lag to the Xbox.  Very impressed. 

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On 22/03/2023 at 20:15, dumpster said:

Got Moonlight working and went a bit Inception, playing Breath of the Wild on PC via emulation with enhanced graphics and a few cheats, streaming without lag to the Xbox.  Very impressed. 

Yeah it works really with Xbox - I haven’t had a lag issues when I’ve used it 

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8 hours ago, disperse and recoagulate said:

What's happened to the Emulation Hub discord? Now called Johan Emulation Hub and hardly anything on it, including no chat.

 

April Fools?

The renaming was April fools - links chat sections etc being down / not there was due to sever updating they where doing -  new links where posts earlier 

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Guess I need to look into dev mode. Having to restart every time I want to use the emulators sounds a bit annoying, but there aren't really any other options now.

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Yeah looks like Xenia was the straw that broke the Microsoft’s camels back  - moonlight still works so I guess until (if ever ) they sort the issue I can usb my room external on the pc and stream to the Xbox that way.   Back at the start of all this when dev mode was the only way it was grand but is a pain having to reboot back and forth into retail and dev mode (and the fear of not booting back correctly and losing everything)

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The thing that never made sense about retail mode emulation was that you had this one developer uploading software for the Xbox for anybody to download if they had the right links. Yet this did not lead to other people doing the same thing.  Homebrew on retail consoles appears to be entirely possible because of one person.  Imagine if everyone started doing it. 

 

I can understand this restriction

Even if emulators are legal it seems impossible for a company like Microsoft to not take any action against them, especially when software can be emulated from competitors like Sony and Nintendo.  It's hard to know where the line is between emulation and piracy. It's easy to say that no one's making any money out of these old games anymore, but then the ZX Spectrum Next comes along with the officially licensed versions of Treasure Island Dizzy, Konami release the Castlevania Advance Collection for the Nintendo Switch and I don't buy either because there's no reason to. The industry thinks they can bring these games to a new generation but we've been playing them all along. I would have bought Castlevania Advance Collection but it's already a game I go back to and I prefer the CardUp patched version anyway. 

 

But I read that the threat of Nintendo complaining about their games on Xbox caused this. Never forget that you can emulate the Nintendo Switch, a current console with new releases. Googling the name of any Switch game followed by ISO gets you to a download site, and the Yuzu emulator is better than a real Switch!  I paid £30 for Metroid Prime Remastered, yet it runs perfectly from a downloaded ISO on my eight-year-old PC.  (I do buy games even if I can emulate them, I'm not a monster).

 

Imagine if a Switch emulator came out for the Xbox and Microsoft was seen to be letting it happen. It's no surprise that they've clamped down and perhaps a surprise that they took so long. It's just a shame because Xbox really seems to be losing the fight against PS5 and emulation was something that meant that my Xbox was a permanent fixture under the TV. Without emulation I might flog it and get a PC for the lounge.

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6 hours ago, Quest said:

 

Looks like this should help avoid that:

 

 

That worked a treat - plus have everything back up and running on dev mode - while retail was more convenient at least with dev mode at least we can still couch emu game 

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1 hour ago, Quest said:

I really need to get dev mode set up. Might have a crack at it tomorrow.

 

How long does it take to switch between dev and retail mode?

About 30 seconds to a minute. I set it up ages ago due to retail mode being an absolute faff.

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2 hours ago, Quest said:

 

I really need to get dev mode set up. Might have a crack at it tomorrow.

 

Same. As much as this is fitting, it’s the kick up the arse I’ve been needing to sort dev mode out. And we don’t have to rely on “the links” being posted to grab everything.

 

I had all my stuff for retail on an external hdd. Hopefully I can just map dev mode to the same Roms easily enough. Just need to look into setting up retropass again.

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9 minutes ago, disperse and recoagulate said:

Same. As much as this is fitting, it’s the kick up the arse I’ve been needing to sort dev mode out. And we don’t have to rely on “the links” being posted to grab everything.

 

I had all my stuff for retail on an external hdd. Hopefully I can just map dev mode to the same Roms easily enough. Just need to look into setting up retropass again.

yeah all my stuff is on my external has all my retroarch settings folders, bios etc... and i was able to set all the emulators in dev mode to pick everything up from te external (the ultimate retropass mod is worth getting if you use retropass)   @quest set up is pretty straightforward about 5 / 10 mins to do it and installing the various emulators and apps is also straight forward - follow the guides on the discord site and you cant go wrong 

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22 hours ago, dumpster said:

But I read that the threat of Nintendo complaining about their games on Xbox caused this. Never forget that you can emulate the Nintendo Switch, a current console with new releases. Googling the name of any Switch game followed by ISO gets you to a download site, and the Yuzu emulator is better than a real Switch!  I paid £30 for Metroid Prime Remastered, yet it runs perfectly from a downloaded ISO on my eight-year-old PC.  (I do buy games even if I can emulate them, I'm not a monster).

 

Imagine if a Switch emulator came out for the Xbox and Microsoft was seen to be letting it happen. It's no surprise that they've clamped down and perhaps a surprise that they took so long. It's just a shame because Xbox really seems to be losing the fight against PS5 and emulation was something that meant that my Xbox was a permanent fixture under the TV. Without emulation I might flog it and get a PC for the lounge.

 

Microsoft have confirmed it was nothing to do with Nintendo: https://www.ign.com/articles/microsoft-addresses-xbox-emulator-ban-says-its-based-on-long-standing-policy

 

So, they waited two years, until just after Xenia was ported, to forcefully apply a 'long-standing' policy. :sherlock:

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