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31 minutes ago, James Lyon said:

 

I've thought that, too. Apparently she didn't want to play the Hollywood game and how easily Hollywood puts you aside if you don't.

 

 

 

 

The game in the weight-loss sense or in the Harvey Weinstein sense?

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32 minutes ago, James Lyon said:

 

I've thought that, too. Apparently she didn't want to play the Hollywood game and how easily Hollywood puts you aside if you don't.

 

Might be what she says now but at the time a lot of her problems were attributed to her dad being overbearing and alienating cast and crew, to the point where he insisted in being on set when she was filming sex scenes. In her mid-twenties.

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13 minutes ago, DeciderVT said:

 

Might be what she says now but at the time a lot of her problems were attributed to her dad being overbearing and alienating cast and crew, to the point where he insisted in being on set when she was filming sex scenes. In her mid-twenties.

 

It seems her parents worked on porn films, including Deep Throat. That might have made them overprotective.

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1 hour ago, DeciderVT said:

 

Might be what she says now but at the time a lot of her problems were attributed to her dad being overbearing and alienating cast and crew, to the point where he insisted in being on set when she was filming sex scenes. In her mid-twenties.

 

Interesting. I got some of that from this article which mentions both things. This was from 2014, though.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/jan/23/thora-birch-hollywood-darling-disappeared

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It's probably just easier to work with another actor that isn't going to have someone actively interfering with the production, well-intentioned or not. I can understand her being defensive about it though, it must be hard to deal with that sort of fallout.

 

Interesting aside about Mena Suvari in that article, given what we know now.

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Having watched 2 episodes of this tonight, it's fantastic. The writing of Wednesday herself is awesome and Ortega is absolutely superb in the role.

 

I hope it keeps it up. I don't really care about the overarching plot (I think I've solved at least 1 mystery by the second episode) but if it can keep serving up the macabre bone dry humour and goth Potter thing it'll be a great series.

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Have seen six episode so far. 

 

It's generally very good - even if at times it doesn't quite feel "Addams Family" and more just a supernatural show with the Addams family tacked on. I definitely got a lot of Sabrina vibes mixed with Harry Potter.

 

Ignoring that, all the actors/actresses are doing a great job. I think i've worked out a few things, so maybe a little predictable but i still have two episodes left so could be wrong.

 

Great to see Christina Ricki in this, kind of odd that she wasn't in it from the get go though after reading Thora Birch had that role. They must have completly refilmed her part as she doesn't appear at all.

 

Will try and get the final two episodes down over the next few days. 

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I've just finished the series and I'm not sure what I think of it.

 

Jenna Ortega is perfect as Wednesday. She absolutely carries the show. It's worth watching just for her performance.

 

All the other actors playing Addams family members are great too. And those characters are brilliantly realised. Whenever they're on screen the show shines.

 

But it's telling that they're the only parts of the show that were pre existing. Everything original in the show could be, as @DarhkFox says, from any other recent supernatural show. Or even any CW show. 

 

Setting the show in Nevermore Academy is a good idea, but it's just a TV high school. Attractive kids in cliques, only this time the popular girls are literal sirens, the jocks are werewolves etc. Only the show then basically forgets about their non human nature (except occasionally for plot points) and leans on their clique characteristics. So the popular girls are just bitchy and so on.

 

The world the show creates is one in which non-humans ("outcasts") are apparently well known by humans ("normies") and are treated with what's essentially racism. That just doesn't work for me. It feels cheap and it spoils a lot of the fun of the Addams Family show and movies, which is seeing how people react with polite terror to the family. In this, they're just treated with disdain. And it leads to Morticia - a white woman - telling a black man that "men like you don't know what it's like to be treated as second class" (I'm paraphrasing, not a direct quote) which felt really problematic to me.

 

That said, I did enjoy it, and Ortega is so good in the role that if it gets a second season I will definitely watch.

 

Oh, and Gwendoline Christie is, as always, fantastic.

 

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Watched 5 episodes Thursday evening, got to sleep at 2am, woke at 8, stuck another 2 on, then as SOON as I'd finished work yesterday lunchtime, I got to my own office and stuck the finale on whilst sorting out post.

 

This was entirely binge watchable, yes, it kind of just ends up being a slightly spooky Gossip Girl, but I liked that and Ortega samshed the life out of the part, along with the entire Addams Family cast, well on board for a second serie.

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Watched the first episode and hated it. Really not interested in a Young Adult high school drama with vampires, werewolves, fish people and psychic visions thrown into the mix. Ortega aside, I didn't like the rest of the family casting at all. Wednesday's schtick began to grate quite quickly as well. Don't think I'll bother with the rest.

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Finished tonight.

 

My predictions where correct but I still very much enjoyed it.

 

Hoping a 2nd season is announced soon.

 

Also Jenna Ortega very much stood out in Scream 5 as the best actress/actor in it. Her sister ( the lead) was terrible imo - surprised she is back for Scream 6 but at least Jenna is back in it.

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I really wanted this to be great but it ended up being quite a disappointment.

 

As others have said, the casting of the Addams Family members. especially Ortega, is perfect but that makes it an even greater shame that they were given so little to work with. A pretty slight detective story that would have made an excellent ninety minute film has been stretched out interminably, even by Netflix standards. The last two or three episodes were a real chore to finish and, in hindsight, probably not worth the time.

 

Maybe the show would have worked a little better had each episode featured a self contained sub plot/adventure/mystery for Wednesday and her schoolmates to get embroiled in as the bigger story played out over the top but, instead, we have seemingly endless scenes of Wednesday questioning people, them dismissing her, repeated over and over. So many that her initially excellent, and very in character, straight face, acting with eyes only, approach started to become more than a bit boring and a little irritating. Instead of all the dull exposition we needed a lot more humour and there was a lot of potential for that with interactions between Nevermore and the townsfolk.

 

 

 

 

 

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Really weird bit in this interview, about Ortega filming this while having COVID:

 

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“I choreographed that myself!” Ortega tells us later. “I’m not a dancer and I’m sure that’s obvious. I’d gotten the song [The Cramps’ 1981 single ‘Goo Goo Muck’] about a week before and I just pulled from whatever I could… it’s crazy because it was my first day with COVID so it was awful to film.”

 

Wait, what?

 

“Yeah, I woke up and – it’s weird, I never get sick and when I do it’s not very bad – I had the body aches. I felt like I’d been hit by a car and that a little goblin had been let loose in my throat and was scratching the walls of my esophagus. They were giving me medicine between takes because we were waiting on the positive result.”

 

MGM, the production company behind Wednesday, confirmed to NME via email that “strict COVID protocols were followed and once the positive test was confirmed production removed Jenna from set.”

 

Stunned that they would go ahead filming anything if they knew she had symptoms. Doesn't sound "strict" at all.

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