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2 hours ago, Valver said:

Reddit are tearing strips off this.  The feedback I'm reading there is not good at all.

 

The comment that has made me chuckle the most so far is "Battlefield 2042 feels like a Chinese clone of the Battlefield series"

 

along with this:

 

I know reddit dials everything to 11 but they aren't wrong about it. I watched and played some today and it's not in great shape. It doesn't help that the timing is so close to Halo Infinite, which is an entirely different type of shooter, but performance and bugs-wise is in a far, far better state than this. Being EA, this won't get delayed and release in an awful state, only to be patched and actually be pretty decent 3 months after release.

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16 minutes ago, moosegrinder said:

 

RB I think.

 

 

Literally every large scale Battlefield map ever. It's always the same. DICE going in with only the 128 player map might be a bit of a dumb idea, mind.

 

RB pings areas and gives commands. I tried it on a bot and made sure I was on him and nothing. 

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9 minutes ago, Ry said:

 

RB pings areas and gives commands. I tried it on a bot and made sure I was on him and nothing. 

 

There is no active spotting I think. I have only played the healing lady-class but it seems to work like BFV. If you look at an enemy, they are in your line of sight and within a certain distance you will spot them. At least I think that is how it works 🙂

 

An question not related to the one above. Are there only the attachements visible in the quick select menu available for each gun or can you somehow change the three options somewhere? The menus are the normal Battlefield horrible and I couldn't really make out how to change anything on your selected weapon.

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1 minute ago, koefoed said:

 

There is no active spotting I think. I have only played the healing lady-class but it seems to work like BFV. If you look at an enemy, they are in your line of sight and within a certain distance you will spot them. At least I think that is how it works 🙂

 

An question not related to the one above. Are there only the attachements visible in the quick select menu available for each gun or can you somehow change the three options somewhere? The menus are the normal Battlefield horrible and I couldn't really make out how to change anything on your selected weapon.

 

Apparently the spotting is bugged right now but it should work as you describe, it just doesn't always work in this beta.

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19 minutes ago, BitterToad said:

I still don't get why they changed spotting. I always loved tactically telling your mates where everyone was and methodically working as a group to take them out. Reddit hated it though so it got changed. 

 

I agree. While I can understand it being toned down so that the full team couldn't see the spots, or being able to spam it in a random direction and light up everyone, I wish they'd left 3D spotting as a squad feature. It would limit it, but allow it to remain useful - you'd expect squad members to be giving each other intel. If you're in a party then voice-comms is is available, but if playing with randoms it can be maddening to see someone flanking your squadmates or something and be unable to warn them.

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Oh if they’ve not fixed spotting I’m out then. 
 

It was great feeling like you were contributing to your team even if you weren’t the best at the shooting. To me it’s what separated BF out from the rest and really encouraged team play even if people weren’t using mics.

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15 minutes ago, T Pot said:

Can you change the vehicle controls? It was totally broken in the tech test. A Friend has just text to say he hates the tank controls but can't find a way to change them.

Feels like a cross between bf2 BC and BF4. They are fine on PC.

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24 minutes ago, Sarlaccfood said:

Oh if they’ve not fixed spotting I’m out then. 
 

It was great feeling like you were contributing to your team even if you weren’t the best at the shooting. To me it’s what separated BF out from the rest and really encouraged team play even if people weren’t using mics.

You can help massively with the drones as a recon. It auto spots people.

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37 minutes ago, BitterToad said:

I still don't get why they changed spotting. I always loved tactically telling your mates where everyone was and methodically working as a group to take them out. Reddit hated it though so it got changed. 

A lot of the fun stuff in these games has been removed or toned down over the years in the interest of balance and spotting is just one them. They nerfed destruction in some of them for this reason FFS. As if people are playing battlefield for some kind of sweaty, level playing field competitive experience rather than a good, immersive, spectacular laugh. About 5 months into BF1 they ruined it by fucking around with weapon balance and changing how grenades worked because some YouTubers whined.

 

The devs listen too much to Reddit and YouTube.

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1 hour ago, T Pot said:

I've just had confirmation from a Dice dev. Cross Play is handled at a system level on the Xbox for some stupid reason. 

 

I can't see an option anywhere in xbox settings to turn off cross play.

 

I just had it off via the  game menu and everyone that killed me had an xbox logo next to their name. 

 

So either that's a weird coincidence or the person from dice doesn't even know. 

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20 minutes ago, Ry said:

 

I can't see an option anywhere in xbox settings to turn off cross play.

 

I just had it off via the  game menu and everyone that killed me had an xbox logo next to their name. 

 

So either that's a weird coincidence or the person from dice doesn't even know. 


 

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-or-enable-cross-play-xbox-one-series-x-series-s

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The Battlefield subreddits have been toxic cesspools full of reactionary dickheads for years now and showed their true colours during the hoo-hah over women soldiers in BF5. Avoid them like the plague, or at least be wary of taking any kind of consensus opinion on there as reliable and considered. The Battlefield 'community' is pretty awful in my experience and unfortunately DICE have given far too much credence to the shouty opinions of YouTubers and assorted full-time reactionary ranters for way too long now but that's unlikely to change anytime soon. 

 

As all the preview footage and information indicated, this feels 100% like a follow-up to Battlefield 4.

 

The good:

  • TTK feels good. Not as CoD-like as BF5 thankfully (although I adjusted to it, it always felt a little too fast to me and pushed the game towards feeling like a twitch shooter a lot of the time, which is not why I play Battlefield) and it seems to have struck a nice balance between rewarding accuracy and making close-range firefights survivable if someone gets the drop on you. I feel pretty good about where they've landed in this regard.
  • Tanks feel very powerful again after being shitty tin buckets that could only be effectively used as cautious camping artillery in BF5.
  • I like the movement. It's fast and there's probably gonna be a shitload of sliding going on everywhere but it feels nicely weighty too after the rather loose BF5.
  • I'll come to the specialists system later but being able to fully customise your weapon loadout is a nice change. Forcing medics to use SMGs or only allowing scouts to be able to spot people felt like a needless restriction in BF5 so I think giving the player more choice over how they engage enemies is a positive step. I can see certain loadouts becoming prevalent and dominant before long but overall I like it.
  • Snipers seem toned down in terms of their efficacy and I think (hope) this'll mean fewer matches with half the team just sat at the back of the map dinking away contributing fuck all. This'll probably prove to be a woefully misguided and naïve expectation but based on the 10 or so games I've had so far they definitely don't seem as dominant as they have been in the past.
  • Based on the single example in this beta, map design seems hugely improved over the crappy ones that BF5 had. Loads more verticality, much more cover, much more undulating terrain and far less wide open empty fields of nothingness. The objectives seem really well designed, far more varied and geared towards interesting engagements and differences in approach. More than anything this was the area that needed to see significant improvement and this beta map bodes well.     

 

The bad:

  • The UI and general readability of everything could do with a lot of improvement. It kinda feels cheap and doesn't transmit information very well.
  • Uhhhh what the hell is up with the plane and chopper controls?! Cannot get my head around them whatsoever and there's no mapping screen to try and ascertain what each button does. I'm completely baffled as to how to control them at the moment, so someone help me out, please. Hopefully they're customisable in the final game.
  • Where the fuck is the map? A quick press to bring it up and get a read on the overall situation was crucial to planning your next move but now you have to somehow parse what's going on on the wider scale by piecing together limited info from the objective markers. 
  • Lots of options missing. I've had my Battlefield setup perfected for years now and half the things I want to change just aren't there. No ability to change minimap zoom and limited options in comparison to previous games for fine-tuning aiming parameters. This will be super-nerdy irrelevance to most people but it's a big factor for me and I have no idea why they've been removed.
  • No commo rose either, unless I'm missing something, and this has a severely detrimental effect on the feel of squad-play.
  • Destructibility seems very limited and toned down for a Battlefield game. It leapt out at me straight away.
  • Sound design is a massive step down from the heady heights of BF1. The same was true of BF5 and this seems to have continued the trend.
  • Related to the previous two points, atmospherically I find the modern warfare setting a bit dry and lacking in character compared to the thunder and fury of BF1 too, although I thought the same of BF4. It's not bad per se but the huge maps, limited squad communication options and poor UI leave it all feeling a bit detached in some way and that sense of being in the thick of a rampaging and frantic war is just not there for me. 

 

The maybe:

  • Not totally sold on the specialists system yet. I don't really see what it adds above the traditional BF class system and you end up with a squad of identical Borises all looking and sounding exactly the same. Seems like change for change's sake and only really implemented as a convenient insertion point for MTX and cosmetics.
  • Changing gun attachments on the fly sounds like a good idea in principle but 1) the shitty UI gives you limited information on what each attachment actually does and 2) it removes an aspect of your having to adapt to the situation with the tools at your disposal. Now you can just whack a long-range scope on at any time. A lot of people will probably like this but I'm not so sure it will improve the game.
  • With the size of the maps and much longer average engagement distances I can understand why they've all but removed visible recoil but the trend towards laser-guns that BF5 had has been taken even further here and I'm not sure that's necessarily a good thing. Time will tell.
  • Graphically it's... OK? DICE are usually one of the front-runners in showing what new hardware can do but that's the issue with making a cross-gen game I guess. I'm not getting a sense that my Series X is being pushed much at all and I'm not seeing much of a graphical step-up from BF5 or even BF1, which is still by some distance the best-looking and sounding game in the series five years after release. It's one aspect that tends to be improved over the beta in the final release (BF5's beta had a bunch of graphical effects missing, for example) so that'll probably improve but I'm a bit disappointed in its visuals currently.
  • Although the extra power of the new consoles has been used to double the player-count (which likely explains the underwhelming graphics at this stage) I'm not really sure if the move to 128 players has added anything of real worth beyond greater stretches of nothing going on between objectives. People who aren't well-versed in the series tend to complain that they spend most of their time running from point A to point B before being shot out of seemingly nowhere and that's only going to be worse in this game. I'd hoped that a doubling of the player count in each match would lead to more frantic and ferocious fights over objectives but it feels exactly the same to me in that regard and relative to the player numbers there don't seem to be enough vehicles in play.
  • This beta is apparently a 3-month old build but even allowing for that the last-minute delay doesn't bode well and it's buggy as shit and feels pretty ropey right now. If they release yet another bug-ridden shoddy day one offering then they'll get slaughtered for it but hey, it's EA and Christmas is looming, so fingers crossed it releases in a decent state. I'm not very hopeful though.

 

Overall it's about what I expected. Fans of BF4 should feel right at home and I think it will be a good game but I'm not getting the impression that it's quite the storming return to form that was hoped for.

 

I've mentioned it before on here and I'm always wary of coming across all 'My uncle works for Nintendo' but I used to live in Stockholm and I'm friends with some previous DICE employees who gave an insight into what happened there over the last five years or so (a significant number of the best people left, essentially) and they indicated that the days of DICE producing first-in-class multiplayer shooters may be gone. Can't say that this beta makes me doubt that because as competent as it is it does feel like they've played it pretty safe and there's not an awful lot that is particularly inspiring about it. It is good, don't get me wrong, but I can't say I'm blown away by it and I'm 50/50 as to whether I get it at release, which is pretty nuts considering how much of a Battlefield fanboy I am.

 

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Should also probably mention that Conquest is the worst game mode in my opinion and the huge maps are likely to accentuate its failings, so it's a shame that that's all that's available in this beta. I'm really curious to see how Breakthrough/Operations plays in this because the doubled player count should become more apparent in that mode. The intense focus on a small number of objectives across a single front line that demands a more inventive and tactical approach is where Battlefield really shines.

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I can instantly tell this is the best battlefield since 4.

Holy shit at all the bugs though. This is no beta, it’s an alpha.

the fecking controls. I love the choppers and I know exactly what I want the controls to be but holyshit what have they done.

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I had a couple of games on my Series X. Some very significant and random graphics issues but I had fun. Conquest with lots of players is how I like to roll. I'm normally a medic despite being rubbish. I got 6 damn kills on my second game because I'm a 48 year old murder machine. It has the feel of a very old build and I really hope that's true :)

 

 

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Think I have had enough of the beta. Far too many bugs too mention that's its just annoying me and really effecting gameplay. 

 

I really hope they have made big changes to the UI. It's shit.

 

I really don't like that there are not 4 distinct classes with distinct weapons. 

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It’s an absolute mess.

Too many bugs, loads of lag.

 

I could make the best battlefield game ever made. The aircraft would control like flight simulator (‘obviously without all the complicated shit) the vehicles would be like snowrunner on steroids. Not this glitchy mess of zero physics.

Not to mention the controls.

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