Nintendo Switch OLED - who needs 4k, dat screen

[ZOK]

Just now, Stanley said:

Your your self-awareness-o-meter appears bust an’ all 

I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean.

[Stanley]

Just now, ZOK said:

I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean.

I know. 

[ZOK]

Just now, Stanley said:

I know. 

So explain what you mean.

[Strafe]

8 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Unarguable fact 

Only if you’ve played the games yourself, if you haven’t then you don’t have a clue how it runs.

[Popo]

[Stanley]

Just now, ZOK said:

So explain what you mean.

Perhaps I’d be more inclined if your weren't being so obtuse and argumentative - but in a nutshell, just because you find the Switch’s performance unacceptable for some games doesn’t mean it’s an “unarguable fact”. 

[ZOK]

4 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Perhaps I’d be more inclined if your weren't being so obtuse and argumentative - but in a nutshell, just because you find the Switch’s performance unacceptable for some games doesn’t mean it’s an “unarguable fact”. 

Putting aside entirely that this doesn’t relate in any way to what you said, if a console can’t run a game without freezing or stuttering, it can’t run it properly. This is a fact.

 

What I find unacceptable about it is neither here nor there, as you would think the fact I’ve put over 400 hours into two games that perform as I describe would make quite obvious.

[rgraves]

7 minutes ago, ZOK said:

if a console can’t run a game without freezing or stuttering, it can’t run it properly. This is a fact.

 

[ZOK]

Wow.

[Mystacon]

Although having a more powerful machine would obviously be beneficial for performance, I fear you’d just get the same issues on upgraded hardware. If there’s more power, devs would throw more at it, and the same thing would keep happening.

 

I imagine more time spent better optimising games would be the best move.

[Vimster]

I'm going to wade in here and say the Switch is at its worst when games that were clearly not designed for it are shoehorned onto the system (Borderlands, Doom 2016 etc). When devs play to the console's strengths it really shines. Obviously first-party Nintendo games generally run well because Nintendo understand their own hardware, naturally. The Switch doesn't need to be more powerful, the best games on the system don't need the heft of a PS5.

[ZOK]

6 minutes ago, Mystacon said:

Although having a more powerful machine would obviously be beneficial for performance, I fear you’d just get the same issues on upgraded hardware. If there’s more power, devs would throw more at it, and the same thing would keep happening.

 

I imagine more time spent better optimising games would be the best move.

Yes, I think that’s correct, but if it made the existing games run better I’d consider it a worthwhile purchase.

[Paulando]

A more powerful Switch won’t stop the NPCs in The Outer Worlds from looking like burns victims.

 

It absolutely does need a power upgrade, but by this point it might as well be a full-on successor in 2022/23, with new games to boot.
 

In the here and now we have a Switch on the way with a larger and much nicer display that will benefit every game, not just those that struggle to hit 30fps.

 

I actually think it’s a bigger upgrade than most people give it credit for. I’m beyond the acceptance phase and I’m well into the DAT SCREEN phase.

[Sumire]

9 minutes ago, Vimster said:

I'm going to wade in here and say the Switch is at its worst when games that were clearly not designed for it are shoehorned onto the system (Borderlands, Doom 2016 etc). When devs play to the console's strengths it really shines. Obviously first-party Nintendo games generally run well because Nintendo understand their own hardware, naturally. The Switch doesn't need to be more powerful, the best games on the system don't need the heft of a PS5.

 

I think it would have been nice with a more powerful graphics processor now as isn't it the same one that was in the old Nvidia Shield tablet?  I would have rather of seen that than the new screen. I for one use mine on the TV mainly, a 4K TV, which I think most people have these days? and a lot of the games look pretty ropey on that. They do look really nice in handheld mode, but suffer even more with performance issues. Good programming goes a long way though, but can only help so much.

 

[Isaac]

16 minutes ago, Vimster said:

I'm going to wade in here and say the Switch is at its worst when games that were clearly not designed for it are shoehorned onto the system (Borderlands, Doom 2016 etc). When devs play to the console's strengths it really shines. Obviously first-party Nintendo games generally run well because Nintendo understand their own hardware, naturally. The Switch doesn't need to be more powerful, the best games on the system don't need the heft of a PS5.

 

Hyrule Warriors 2 was designed for Switch and is borderline unplayable. I'm pretty sure it's first party.

 

In split screen it drops below 15fps and has massive frame timing issues. I am talking N64-game level performance at times.

[Paulando]

Doesn’t sound like it was designed for it then.

[Isaac]

10 minutes ago, Paulando said:

Doesn’t sound like it was designed for it then.

 

It didn't come out on anything else so I don't know what on earth you think it might have been designed for instead.

 

See also: Links' Awakening, which has performance issues, although not quite as severe as Hyrule Warriors 2. I could name a ton of other 'made for Switch' games with performance issues (like Pokemon Sword and Shield) but what's the point eh? 

 

There is none so blind as he who has sworn allegiance to a specific gaming company.

 

This is why people are so disappointed in the OLED Switch - the Switch needs a power upgrade because there are already a ton of games out (and more being released) that clearly don't run properly, and a more powerful Switch would have helped.

[kensei]

19 minutes ago, Isaac said:

 

Hyrule Warriors 2 was designed for Switch and is borderline unplayable. I'm pretty sure it's first party.

 

In split screen it drops below 15fps and has massive frame timing issues. I am talking N64-game level performance at times.

 

People keep saying this, but I have played a lot and didn't find it particularly bad. Borderline unplayable seems an exaggeration for something I am a lot oft he way through.

[Isaac]

2 minutes ago, kensei said:

 

People keep saying this, but I have played a lot and didn't find it particularly bad. Borderline unplayable seems an exaggeration for something I am a lot oft he way through.

 

 

[Paulando]

12 minutes ago, Isaac said:

It didn't come out on anything else so I don't know what on earth you think it might have been designed for instead.

I mean, if a game runs at 15fps it doesn’t sound like it was designed within the limits of the hardware, whether it’s exclusive or first party or not. Either that or it isn’t optimised, or they just thought nobody would notice.

[joffocakes]

2 minutes ago, Isaac said:

 

 

 

Oh wow that looks wild; I'd ignored the Warriors games cos I'm not much of a Dynasty Warriors fan but trampling around as a Divine Beast looks rad.

[DeDeDe]

The video above is considered “borderline unplayable”?  I’m not saying it’s great, but youngsters these days don’t know they’re born, etc.

[rgraves]

4 minutes ago, kensei said:

 

People keep saying this, but I have played a lot and didn't find it particularly bad. Borderline unplayable seems an exaggeration for something I am a lot oft he way through.

 

'Unplayable' is thrown around so much these days - you can have a game that drops 3 frames at a certain point over 20+ hours and it gets picked out, highlighted, held up as proof etc - it's the terrible stain that DF has brought us. Not to say they [DF] don't do great, interesting, worthwhile stuff, but certainly it has brought framerate to the front of the war even for people that probably couldn't have spotted a thing before they existed.

[ZOK]

Generally speaking frame rates are irrelevant to me, but I know when a game freezes or stutters.

[Kevvy Metal]

49 minutes ago, Isaac said:

 

 

 

I guess some people never played EDF 2017!

[rgraves]

9 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

I guess some people never played EDF 2017!

 

Nobody did, it was unplayable.

[Stanley]

1 hour ago, ZOK said:

Putting aside entirely that this doesn’t relate in any way to what you said, if a console can’t run a game without freezing or stuttering, it can’t run it properly. This is a fact.

 

What I find unacceptable about it is neither here nor there, as you would think the fact I’ve put over 400 hours into two games that perform as I describe would make quite obvious.

Well then pretty much any hardware you care to mention can’t run games properly, and that’s a fact too. 
 

You’re referring to BOTW, a launch title no less, and describing it as not running properly, which clearly is down to whatever you find acceptable or willing to tolerate - saying that it doesn’t run properly because it has a few stutters here and there is really, really overstating the issue, and there are plenty of games on Switch that run absolutely flawlessly without any frame rate hitches which you’re choosing to ignore. 
 

You just sound salty that this new one doesn’t do what you want it to, and I’m sure many here are disappointed about that too, but telling people your opinion is an “unarguable fact” makes you sound like a belligerent arsehole, and I expect better from you 

[Kevvy Metal]

3 minutes ago, rgraves said:

 

Nobody did, it was unplayable.

 

Oh yeah! I remember now! I really wanted to play it! ....but it was unplayable. 

[ZOK]

7 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Well then pretty much any hardware you care to mention can’t run games properly, and that’s a fact too. 
 

You’re referring to BOTW, a launch title no less, and describing it as not running properly, which clearly is down to whatever you find acceptable or willing to tolerate - saying that it doesn’t run properly because it has a few stutters here and there is really, really overstating the issue, and there are plenty of games on Switch that run absolutely flawlessly without any frame rate hitches which you’re choosing to ignore. 
 

You just sound salty that this new one doesn’t do what you want it to, and I’m sure many here are disappointed about that too, but telling people your opinion is an “unarguable fact” makes you sound like a belligerent arsehole, and I expect better from you 

The two games I play on Switch more than any other (and almost exclusively) are BOTW and Enter the Gungeon, and both run badly, compared to how they would run if there’s more juice under the hood.

 

Once again, this is not an opinion, it’s an unarguable fact, and naturally I don’t care how that sounds. So yes, I do want a Switch with more juice, and this ‘upgraded’ model is a disappointment. 
 

I’m not ignoring the ones that run great - they are just not relevant, because there’s no issue with them. 

[Strafe]

Breath of the Wild runs badly