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48 minutes ago, Chindie said:

That Burnley result is very much a 'getting relegated' kinda one. Decent performance against a side that should win the match, for a half, then completely fall apart.

 

Leeds: Hold my beer. We've had multiple of those this season.

 

Worse is contriving to lose games you should have got points in. If we go down, Newcastle and today should be near the top of the list. Oh, and the West Ham and Spurs games earlier in the season where we should have got moral boosting results but conceded super late.

 

I thought Burnley would grind their way out again and be ahead of us by now, but the bottom 6 clubs seem to be having a "How shitty can we be" competition.

 

Big few games coming up for Leeds.

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Leeds will stay up off the back of there being 3 worse teams at least.

 

Norwich are gone, Smith has made them better but that was an impossible job, they can't score and their defence isn't up to the standard of the league. 

 

Watford are weak and whilst Woy will make them hard to beat they aren't good enough across the pitch to stay up.

 

Burnley just feels like the sparks gone. Dyche has kept them in the league year on year through sheer will it seems but this season it's almost like they're just burnt out don't have the performers to save them. 

 

Everton have been dire for weeks and Lampard feels like the wrong appointment, but they probably have enough quality to survive, just. They should be terrified for next season though.

 

Leeds' style and workrate, together with some quality, will nab a few wins over the remaining games. They have enough fight and swagger to win a couple. Unless Marsch makes the wheels fall off.

 

Brentford have enough goals in them if Toney stays fit to be fine 

 

Sadly Newcastle's blood money means they will survive.

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To be honest, I'm not going to get into that kind of discussion because there are no winners and every team has its own set of arseholes.  Even the Chelsea fans behaviour yesterday was out of keeping with their previous visits.  Tuchel and the club have condemned it and that is to their credit.

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54 minutes ago, Plissken said:

Someone pointed out that Ronaldo out and Maguire fit counts as a double blow for the reds.

 

True normally, but he's the only one I've seen doing any defending for United so far today.

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2 minutes ago, ilpostino said:

Cracking day for goals. Nice finish by Mahrez.

 

That also means I can go to the shops now, United aren't coming back from that I reckon.


Bit late to go to the shops on a Sunday isn’t it?

 

And yeah City are a much better team than Utd (to nobodies surprise)!

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I’m no fan of xG as a stat, but nor are Man United it would seem as they create 0.00xG second half.

 

An absolute shower of a side.

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1 minute ago, glb said:

I’m no fan of xG as a stat, but nor are Man United it would seem as they create 0.00xG second half.

 

An absolute shower of a side.

 

Er, does that happen a lot? I couldn't be bothered with the second half, because it seemed pretty clear where this was going, but surely just getting within 30 yards of the opposition goal gets you 0.01 xG?

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9 minutes ago, hmm said:

 

Er, does that happen a lot? I couldn't be bothered with the second half, because it seemed pretty clear where this was going, but surely just getting within 30 yards of the opposition goal gets you 0.01 xG?


I’m not sure what the parameters are to be honest. Whatever they are, Man United certainly didn’t hit them or a cow’s arse with a banjo in the second half.

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11 minutes ago, Swallow said:

 

You have never contributed anything of value in this forum but this is the nadir of your endless idiocy. Fucking wise up.

A litany of sub-Talksport phone-in banality. 

 

 

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Having seen Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea in quick succession, the first are absolutely miles behind the other two.  They have some very talented players (I'd be willing to argue that if you took each one individually, they are probably better than their counterparts at Liverpool or Chelsea) but they simply are nowhere near being anything like a coherent team and neither OGS or Rangnick seem capable of making them one.

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4 minutes ago, Plissken said:

Having seen Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea in quick succession, the first are absolutely miles behind the other two.  They have some very talented players (I'd be willing to argue that if you took each one individually, they are probably better than their counterparts at Liverpool or Chelsea) but they simply are nowhere near being anything like a coherent team and neither OGS or Rangnick seem capable of making them one.

Are you saying united have better individual players than Liverpool and Chelsea? Have I read that right?

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I don't think you have, no: he's talking about some of their individually talented players.

 

Not pulling any punches over in the Guardian write up:

 

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There was a moment in the first half when he won the ball off De Bruyne because he mistimed his challenge so badly that the Belgian couldn’t process what had happened and ran into his prone legs. The second City goal came as the ball bounced loose from De Gea’s save and dribbled between Maguire’s legs as he tried to turn. It was misfortune rather than anything else, but it looked awful. And the worse these things look, the more criticism Maguire draws and the more forlorn he appears. Of course it was his knee off which the third goal deflected; the way things are going for him, he’ll probably get swallowed by a whale or squashed by a falling piano on the way home.

 

£80m and they're going to end up selling him for scrap at this rate.

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47 minutes ago, Plissken said:

Having seen Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea in quick succession, the first are absolutely miles behind the other two.  They have some very talented players (I'd be willing to argue that if you took each one individually, they are probably better than their counterparts at Liverpool or Chelsea) but they simply are nowhere near being anything like a coherent team and neither OGS or Rangnick seem capable of making them one.

 

Bloody hell, that's a take. 

 

Wan Bissaka v Trent v Reece James

Maguire v VVD v Rudiger

Lindelof v Matip v T. Silva

Telles/Shaw v Robertson v Chilwell

Fred v Fabinho v Kante

McTominay v Henderson v Kovacic 

 

And so on. Struggling to see an area where United have a superior individual. 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, hmm said:

I don't think you have, no: he's talking about some of their individually talented players.

 

Not pulling any punches over in the Guardian write up:

 

 

£80m and they're going to end up selling him for scrap at this rate.

 

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There was a moment in the first half when he won the ball off De Bruyne because he mistimed his challenge so badly that the Belgian couldn’t process what had happened and ran into his prone legs.

 

:lol:

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14 minutes ago, Stopharage said:

Struggling to see an area where United have a superior individual. 

 

Pogba is one of the most talented players I've ever seen.  If he could ever have been arsed, he had the skills and physical attributes to have been an all time great.  Cavani is an absolute shark of a centre forward - the kind of purely predatory striker that you don't see much these days.  Ronaldo is one of the greatest of all time. De Gea is a magnificent shot stopper. And Varane has won four Champions Leagues and two World Cups.

 

That's what I mean by talented (I didn't say superior, I said talented) players in the Utd side, but the key word was individuals.  None of them can match the way Liverpool or Chelsea (or Man City) pass and move and work together as a unit.  Like I said, if you took that United side where each player was playing on their very best day, I'd be willing to argue that they'd likely match or beat everyone else on their very best day through sheer force of talent.  But it doesn't work like that, and Liverpool/Chelsea/Man City are far superior teams.

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