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3 minutes ago, BitterToad said:

Us was absolutely fantastic and Bradshaw is one of the all time great hacks of movie criticism. 


It it Opposites Day again? I swear it comes round sooner each year!

 

Face it - Us is complete catshit, and if you like it it means you want Liz Truss to be Prime Minister.

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Obviously a deliberately stupid take. Even Jordan Peele was embarrassed

 

 

Nope is such a continuation of an aesthetic style, 3 films in quick succession that share a lot, i never expected that from him. The other young horror directors have a style but aren't so attached to their thing. 

 

Makes me think of Blomkamp diluting his thing and hitting a creative wall. Though I'm sure Nope will be better than Chappie, I'd prefer something different for his 4th film. 

 

Actually, Ari Aster's followup as with Peele's and Blomkamp's, great idea that is nowhere as good as it could be. I'd watch another take on all of them, they're all undercooked to me. Much more potential in all of them i think. 

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Bradshaw is only right when he agrees with me, and he frequently does - but he’s still only a critic, and prone to error. Unlike me.

 

He should have said ‘US is catshit’.

 

Anyway, that tweet thread above contained this gem:

 

Hilariously, someone says ‘name one’ and someone then lists about fifty, and naturally they don’t even scratch the surface. There are sieves with fewer holes than the plot of that movie.

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[taps the “unanswered questions are not plot holes” sign]
 

Us does have some legitimate flaws but it’s very weird to go see such a surreal/fantastical film and sit there thinking “I can’t possibly enjoy this until they explain how the rabbits are fed”

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45 minutes ago, Made of Ghosts said:

[taps the “unanswered questions are not plot holes” sign]
 

Us does have some legitimate flaws but it’s very weird to go see such a surreal/fantastical film and sit there thinking “I can’t possibly enjoy this until they explain how the rabbits are fed”


That would assume you knew the story before you sat down and watched the film, which would be silly.

 

What does happen is you sit there enjoying the flick until the supposed story behind the events it’s portraying is revealed, and then you go ‘I see. So this story is catshit.’

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Get Out is actually quite fucking bad.

 

Us is laughably so.

 

I'll still watch Nope as his films have an interesting style with fuck all under the surface despite the themes. Its the same with Aster, but I'm madly in love with Midsommar as i'm a sucker for that type of film. Hereditary is almost as pap as Us.

 

You can chuck Eggers into the same block (even though I adore everything he's done). There's not mich variation in their vision.

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3 minutes ago, Dark Soldier said:

Get Out is actually quite fucking bad.


This is nonsense. Get Out is a great concept skilfully told, and there’s nothing else you can ask of a flick.

 

Us on the other hand is a laughable concept only competently told for about half its runtime, which is why it goes in the bin.

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Get Out has an underlying message done multiple times in many many films that received praise because someone finally did it to a semi-competent level in the horror genre. Its not creepy, its not scary, its not well written, nor acted. Its pretty damn shit. 

 

I wanted to love it, seen it three times. Just...nah.

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15 minutes ago, Dark Soldier said:

Get Out has an underlying message done multiple times in many many films that received praise because someone finally did it to a semi-competent level in the horror genre. Its not creepy, its not scary, its not well written, nor acted. Its pretty damn shit. 

 

I wanted to love it, seen it three times. Just...nah.


Of course it’s not scary - unless you’re an actual child, neither are 99% of all ‘horror’ films, which I guess is Get Out’s genre, but the association does it no favours to my view. It always seems more comfortable as an SF film to me.

 

It is well written and well acted. These are indisputable, and if you don’t agree I think you’re just being silly. As for it being creepy, it’s certainly unsettling in parts. But again, there aren’t many films that achieve this either to any real effect in my view. Cronenberg’s The Brood is one, but Get Out isn’t in its elevated company for sure.

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7 hours ago, Loik V credern said:

 

Obviously a deliberately stupid take. Even Jordan Peele was embarrassed

 

 

Nope is such a continuation of an aesthetic style, 3 films in quick succession that share a lot, i never expected that from him. The other young horror directors have a style but aren't so attached to their thing. 

 

Makes me think of Blomkamp diluting his thing and hitting a creative wall. Though I'm sure Nope will be better than Chappie, I'd prefer something different for his 4th film. 

 

Actually, Ari Aster's followup as with Peele's and Blomkamp's, great idea that is nowhere as good as it could be. I'd watch another take on all of them, they're all undercooked to me. Much more potential in all of them i think. 

 

I know this was clickbait and I'm fulfilling this clown's wishes by even responding, but there are lots of horror directors with 3 very good horror films under their belt. Recent ones. Hell, I'm not even a massive fan of Mike Flanagan but I'd throw him in that pile. Neil Marshall. Ti West. James Wan and Ben Wheatley even, at a stretch. And that's before we get to classic folks like Hitchcock, Raimi Tobe Hooper, Romero, Wes Craven, Hideo Nakata... 

 

Three good films in a row is rare for any director, let alone genre movies, but Cronenberg arguably had SIX in a row (The Brood, Scanners, Videodrome, The Dead Zone, The Fly, Dead Ringers), Guillermo del Toro had 4 or 5 if you include the action-inflected Blade + Hellboy, SIX if you include Pan's Lab in that, but definitely 3 in the form of Cronos, Mimic, The Devil's Backbone. 

 

I'm also letting Joe Dante into the club for sheer silly inventiveness (Piranha, The Howling, Twilight Zone: The Movie). 

 

This is a very western-centric list as well. US and UK, even. Bring in Asian cinema and it becomes a wash, and oh my god I hate that dude for riling me up into making a massive list... 

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30 minutes ago, Treble said:

I know this was clickbait and I'm fulfilling this clown's wishes by even responding...and oh my god I hate that dude for riling me up into making a massive list... 

 

Must. Resist. Making. It. Worse.

 

 

I'm not a big horror fan, gonna look some of those names up. Audition is my favourite horror film. I'd like Miike to do more stuff like it, I'm a big fan of Lesson Of The Evil though, a wild bold film that goes overlooked. 

 

It's the purity of Audition I like, just very straight, let's shots linger, a few moments enough to unsettle you for the rest. Miike is pure I think in his directing, nothing contrived, over elaborate and drawing attention to itself, so he's a good fit for horror. 

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Must. Resist. Making. It. Worse.

 

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Those actually help, as he's obviously either deliberately trolling, a massive fucking moron or both. 

 

Back on topic, I like Us a great deal. It's feverish and nightmarish and only barely coherent, but the imagery and emotions are marvelous. 

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1 hour ago, Loik V credern said:

the brood is my favourite trailer

 

 

what's that film called again. THE BROOD i think. and who is the director? guy called CRONENBERG i think.


That is a classic - total hyperbole at the start, but then nicely managed to give away almost nothing about the story. Spoils one detail in the kitchen scene but otherwise I think you’d go in and the whole movie would be a surprise.

 

A lost art in trailers, really.

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On 21/07/2022 at 12:55, Made of Ghosts said:

[taps the “unanswered questions are not plot holes” sign]
 

Us does have some legitimate flaws but it’s very weird to go see such a surreal/fantastical film and sit there thinking “I can’t possibly enjoy this until they explain how the rabbits are fed”


The ending is Us would have worked if, say, David Lynch was in  the director's seat as the whole thing was absolutely begging for a hefty does of his hazy nightmare logic style of filmmaking (see Fire Walk With Me which I will happily spend pages arguing with anyone is one of the greatest horror films ever made). Instead I was sat watching the third act just thinking this is really fucking stupid. The problem is Peele ddidn't really have it in him to pull of “surreal” and “fanstastical' in the way that film needed. The issue with Us definitely isn't unanswered questions, if anything it’s that it answers too much. Obviously that's my own subjective opinion and if what it was going for worked for you, then more power to you.

 

Also can we stop with the lol u like Cinemasins shit trying to shut down discussion.

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4 hours ago, Loik V credern said:

the brood is my favourite trailer

 

 

what's that film called again. THE BROOD i think. and who is the director? guy called CRONENBERG i think.

That's even better if you were a Dutch person as you'd picture a terrifying loaf attacking everyone. 

The trailer even suggests that might be the case as the toaster gets thrown off the kitchen surface. 

:lol:

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43 minutes ago, Harsin said:


The ending is Us would have worked if, say, David Lynch was in  the director's seat as the whole thing was absolutely begging for a hefty does of his hazy nightmare logic style of filmmaking (see Fire Walk With Me which I will happily spend pages arguing with anyone is one of the greatest horror films ever made). Instead I was sat watching the third act just thinking this is really fucking stupid. The problem is Peele ddidn't really have it in him to pull of “surreal” and “fanstastical' in the way that film needed. The issue with Us definitely isn't unanswered questions, if anything it’s that it answers too much. Obviously that's my own subjective opinion and if what it was going for worked for you, then more power to you.

 

Also can we stop with the lol u like Cinemasins shit trying to shut down discussion.


I actually agree, I would’ve been much happier if the clones had just come out of nowhere and there wasn’t even an attempt to explain it. But maybe there was some important thematic stuff there that I missed. 
 

As for shutting down discussion, which of the seventeen repetitions of “lol no it’s catshit” did you think was the most thought-provoking?

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