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The immediate gratification thing is very real, especially in a Game Pass / PS+ / Prime era. If something doesn’t grab you within 20 minutes it’s done, because there are so many other shinies to look at. I totally include myself here because I’ve had this attitude towards some Prime Gaming offerings. On the other hand, I’m someone who plays slow-burn JRPGs and so it’s impossible for me to recommend anything without the caveat of “give it a few hours”. :( 

 

I do find that limiting my gaming spends helps though. Give yourself less things to play and you value what you already have. Who knew, eh?

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3 minutes ago, Fallows said:

 

Your friend sounds like a seven year-old with too much money and an undiagnosed mental condition.

 

1 minute ago, moosegrinder said:

 

Genuinely my first thought.

 

I can't disagree with that, I've had that thought myself. 

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Same, and your problems are basically the same problems I have here, a whole bunch of people stuck in their ways, only excited by sad nostalgia pandering.

 

Try and mention liking something newish like mobile games, streaming or whatever positively without 40-year olds waiting in the wings like this to moan that it's shit.

 

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You have to admit though, the older you get, the harder it is to become excited about games like you once did. It is very rare for anything truly innovative and exciting to come out these days.

 

The Forza thing he said is just a way of "lazily" saying he thinks it is too similar to the last game without explaining why, but you already know that.

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4 minutes ago, RubberJohnny said:

Same, and your problems are basically the same problems I have here, a whole bunch of people stuck in their ways, only excited by sad nostalgia pandering.

 

Try and mention liking something newish like mobile games, streaming or whatever positively without 40-year olds waiting in the wings like this to moan that it's shit.

 

51 here, and I like plenty of mobile games. Maybe I could stream them? I'm sure you guys would all tune in ...

 

The term "gamer" itself is nonsensical. We get "bookworms", and "film buffs", but they are seen as the obsessed. Everyone reads some stuff, and watches some stuff. Games are in that same space, now, but somehow the old audience are reluctant to embrace that. 

 

But, the games industry itself is partially responsible. Sony and MS go on about "gamers" in their conferences, and everything is continually pushing to the next big release. It's gotten to the point, now, where re-releases are hyped to the point that the masses can't wait to play them again.

 

We need to break the term, render it meaningless. I know plenty of people who would feel sick if you called them a gamer, but who are happy to tap away on their phone screen for half an hour during their train journey to work. Are they gamers? No, we call them "casuals", sometimes putting the modifier "filthy" in front of it.

 

We don't even like each other! Xbots and Sonybros looking down on Nintendrones. The PC Master Race casting shade on everyone else. 60 fps Vs 30 fps. "MY PREFERRED SUBSCRIPTION IS BETTER THAN YOURS!" Sod off. All of it.

 

Gamers, clearly, are insecure. This is because the industry itself still feels inferior to other more established entertainment media. At some point, though, there will be nobody left who remembers a time before games, and hopefully by then we'll all have grown-up enough to bin this kind of crap once and for all. Games are just as brilliant as books, movies, and TV. They are also just as rubbish.

 

 

 

 

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One thing that works very well for me is to simply play the games that I enjoy and don't mind what others are saying. And avoiding online multiplayer like the plague, unless it's co-op with a friend. If I post about how much I love a certain game, I'm not trying to convince everyone else to agree. There will never be a game that literally everyone likes. I just want to say why I love a certain game, and certain others with a similar taste to mine, could very well enjoy that game too. People online can be infuriating but at the end of the day, you can't allow that to spoil your own enjoyment. Same goes for real life friends who like to moan about everything.

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36 minutes ago, RubberJohnny said:

Try and mention liking something newish like mobile games, streaming or whatever positively without 40-year olds waiting in the wings like this to moan that it's shit.

 

Modern mobile games (some of Apple Arcade aside) ARE shit, though, and the shiteness is built into the game design itself to try to make people spend more money. It's a horrific predatory market that can fuck off.

 

OP's point about gamers whining too much is well held, though. We're in a golden age of games at the moment, even with the many problems in the industry.

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Problem is as you age you get a bit more disposable income.. so you can afford more games but have less time to play them so are probably more judgmental on what you are looking at and don't give things a fair chance. Also there is so much choice which further compounds the problem.

 

Personally tried to stick to having one console and my PC for everything else. However I'm noticing these days that I'll just pick something up on GamePass and play that. Usually between 10-15 hours length.

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I can't blame people for being so tribal about things, and it's not just games.  People get mad about brands and products in general, because we live in neoliberal hellscape where we've been conditioned from birth to think that material objects define who we are and bring us happiness.  It can feel like you're personally being attacked when someone says something you like is shit, yanno?

 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, RubberJohnny said:

Try and mention liking something newish like mobile games, streaming or whatever positively without 40-year olds waiting in the wings like this to moan that it's shit.

 

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Modern mobile games (some of Apple Arcade aside) ARE shit, though

 

See what I mean? He couldn't resist.

 

9 minutes ago, Eighthours said:

, and the shiteness is built into the game design itself to try to make people spend more money. It's a horrific predatory market that can fuck off.

 

Whereas the like of Ultimate team are great, of course? Your problem is really with a business model (one that not all games on mobile even have,. and one that games on consoles have) but you're pretending it's about a platform because you don't have nostalgia for it and therefore it's an acceptable target. Stop being a gaming gammon.

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5 minutes ago, robdood said:

It can feel like you're personally being attacked when someone says something you like is shit, yanno?

For me this is the case with music. But games? Eh, I'm just over here enjoying my isometric RPGs, obscure eurojank games, and obscure Japanese stealth shite thankyouverymuch. If others are having a blast micro purchasing their way through a call of duty endless clicker, well more power to them.

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My personal gripe is:

 

A: "Nobody makes [genre that fell out of fashion in the 2000s but is actually back in fashion] anymore"

 

B: "Look, here are dozens of amazing games in that genre."

 

A: *looks the other way and whistles*

 

B: "Did you... did you see all the games?"

 

A: *whistling intensity rises*

 

...

 

1 week later

 

A: "Nobody makes [genre that fell out of fashion in the 2000s but is actually back in fashion] anymore, I am so fucking angry about it."

 

 

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Two examples:

 

1 - way back when I was QA in Madrid, a colleague from I believe Hungary was completely in love with Resistance 2. Best game ever, for real. Better then I could expect, it is so much better. Long story short: I bought it, played it, finished it, thought it was decent enough (like 6/10) and he agreed. No clue where all that hype went.

 

2 - More recent, a colleague who would get amped up over announcement and releases. This new game is out and it is superb, this new game is coming out in 2022 and man does it look good. Placed a pre-order already. He's also the type who had one of those games running on his phone that play themselves? Some typical JRPG combat stuff, for hours and hours. He'd basically surround himself with games as much and often as possible. But only by his choice, when I'd told him about how great Doom 2016 is he'd go out of his way to not buy and play it. I had to buy it for him and he barely touched it. He'd rather play some complete crap and pretend it's well good.

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