I'm sick and tired of gamers

[Opinionated Ham Scarecrow]

This thread reminds me of an old work colleague who was mad for Halo and refused to accept that I only found the series okayish. When ODST came out he was convinced it was the campaign that would finally change my mind and practically forced me to borrow it, so I reluctantly did and gave it a few hours and yup, it was okayish but I wasn't compelled to play any more but kept it for a few more days anyway because I didn't want to hurt his feelings by saying it was just okay. 

[Harsin]

This thread is like 20 Spider-Men all pointing at each other.

[Uzi]

This forum is full of grumpy men who spend more time discussing, following, acquiring and critiquing games than actually playing the fuckers.

 

We have a dedicated thread to contain the console warz babies.

 

Your mate would fit right in here 😜

[Rayn]

1 minute ago, Uzi said:

Your mate would fit right in here 😜

 

His forum of choice is Resetera. That forum is a tad too busy for me but from what I've gathered he's basing a lot of his opinions on the general ghist of some discussions on there. 

 

Don't get me wrong, he's a great guy and we share a similar taste in music, movies and video games even, it's just that over the last few years he's started to hype himself up on every single video game release but in almost every case he ends up being disappointed. I think his main issue is that he rarely gives any game more than a quick 15 minute spin before giving up. 

[deerokus]

Resetera is a terrible place full of stupid opinions and hot takes, so that makes sense.

 

I generally avoid talking about games in the real world except with some good friends. It can be a frustrating experience.

 

[mechamonkey]

I couldn't disagree more, ok a bit, I hate modern gamers, demand the world and are not satisfied with anything, absolute screaming crybabies more focused on hating the world and everything in it than actually you know having a good time.
I am part of a couple of groups of very Midlife+ gamers and they are the greatest, like minded folk with no time for nonsense, all the passion still and none of the vitriol. Plus all the knowledge of decades of gaming with love of modern and retro.
There's not a moment of the day I log on and don't see some of them online and always welcome being joined. 
It sounds like a parallel universe but it's properly brilliant.
I can honestly say I'm having the best gaming time of my life right now.

[Monkeyspill]

When did being a “gamer” become a thing? It still seems like a relatively modern thing. I don’t remember hearing people call themselves or others “gamers” before about 15 years ago. 

[probotector]

I don't identify as a gamer. 

 

I enjoy playing video games.

 

I know they're not art.

 

But I love them.

 

I don't like bro games.

 

I don't hate on women and I don't want to be racist or homophobic.

 

So I don't identify as a gamer.

[chris on the moon]

is a lot of this British culture? Or maybe even English speaking culture? One of our things seems to be perpetual negativity. And not being allowed to just like things, or have a nice time.

[SeanR]

People are why we can’t have nice things.

[SeanR]

I quit the midlife gamers fb group when one of them posted a “you’re not a real gamer unless…” list, with no pushback.

 

stupid cunts.

[Rayn]

4 minutes ago, chris on the moon said:

is a lot of this British culture? Or maybe even English speaking culture? One of our things seems to be perpetual negativity. And not being allowed to just like things, or have a nice time.

 

I think it's "Online Culture". Everywhere on the net where people can interact there's a lot of negativity. Of course it's pretty much down to "the loud few" in many cases but when it comes to gaming it seems like a lot of people find their own spot within the gaming regime and write everything outside their own bubble off as redundant. 

 

For all the flak this forum gets I generally find it quite positive here, at least compared to other gaming forums/message boards. 

[MattyP]

9 hours ago, Monkeyspill said:

When did being a “gamer” become a thing? It still seems like a relatively modern thing. I don’t remember hearing people call themselves or others “gamers” before about 15 years ago. 

Indeed! Probably when people started earning money from it. Like football etc. Labelling like society does.

[robdood]

21 hours ago, Rayn said:

I answered that they looked a bit rough and that I doubted he'd ever play them for more than an hour, to which he replied that I was kinda rude.

It doesn't even matter if you're 'right' in the end, you do come across as a bit know-all-y and judgey.  

 

It seems like whenever your friend is excited about something, you belittle / diminish it like you're his disappointed dad or something.  Same with your picture containing plenty of moralistic judgment about his life choices. 

 

It's a bit weird. 

[Boothjan]

On a bit of a tangent here, but as very, very few of my friends play video games, one drawback is how excited I was to play on Halo Infinite last night.  I absolutely loved it and I'm looking forward to playing more tonight, but I REALLY want to talk about it with my friends but it'd be completely pointless as they simply don't show any interest if it's not FIFA, or at a push Forza or CoD.  

 

One friend always enjoys games when he actually sits down to play them, but doesn't really know much about the current state of play.  He said he was going to pop into town at the weekend and see if he can pick up a Series X.  

[Rayn]

10 hours ago, robdood said:

It doesn't even matter if you're 'right' in the end, you do come across as a bit know-all-y and judgey.  

 

It seems like whenever your friend is excited about something, you belittle / diminish it like you're his disappointed dad or something.  Same with your picture containing plenty of moralistic judgment about his life choices. 

 

It's a bit weird. 

 

Posting online can be a bit of a pain some times, and in this instance I blame myself for not elaborating on a lot of my statements in this thread. 

 

I don't understand where or how you conclude that I'm trying to "be right in the end"

 

I do understand why I'd seem like a Mr. Know-it-all based on my posts in this thread, especially if you don't get that it's pretty much meant as 'tongue-in-cheek'.

No, I don't hate all gamers and in general I'm quite fond of them. 

If you knew me, you'd most likely rate me as the least judgey person you know, yet here we are. I finally decided to make a thread where I actually admit that I'm not 100% OK with everything in the world. Normally I only focus on all the positives and just look in the opposite direction of anything negative. 

 

When it comes to my examples regarding my friend, I'm not trying to establish wether I'm more in the right than him, it's simply down to the fact that he "loves" every game he reads about pre-release, talks about them in a very positive manner and kinda expect them to be the next great thing, almost no matter what game it is. The most recent example is rather fresh. He's been talking about Halo Infinite for months now and I've probably received more than 100 texts about how pumped he's been for this game. 

Just about three hours ago he texted me that he'd tried the multiplayer beta for 14 minutes and had then deleted the game. He'd also cancelled his pre-order from wherever he'd ordered it from. His reason was simply because the multi player beta we've got access to doesn't allow us to play Slayer mode only (this choice will feature in the final game, btw). 

I've probably played more than a hundred games with him online, and dozens in couch co-op, he's basically become sort of a mascot amongst our usual gaming group. Every week we have at least one co-op session and every week he's reminded by someone within the flock that he'll probably hate this game. He always reply with a sarky comment like "oh no, not tonight" or "well, I've got my doubts about that" but he always end up either rage quitting, ask to play something else or pretend his mother is calling him. 

 

Not only have I told him about this thread and how I describe him, he's read through it all and endorsed me to keep on "making fun of him". He's well aware of the fact he's got issues when it comes to games and he admitted that his problem might be that he probably likes the idea of video games more than actually playing them. 

 

PS: Just as a friendly 'reach out', my GOTY last year was Hades and your thread, in a meta way, made me like it even more. 

[robdood]

@Rayn it's the curse of written communication, so much context missed  Sorry if I came across a bit curt / terse, I was in pre-coffee state this morning when I typed that. 

 

And tbh I do empathise with the frustration - the teenagers in my household, man. One only plays FIFA.  It makes him destroy controllers.  The other spent some hard-earned pocket money on FALLOUT SEVENTY SIX.  Jesus. IF ONLY I COULD GET THEM TO SEE THE LIGHT.  Thing is though, they're quite happy in their own little patterns of consumption. I just try to ride along with their enthusiasm, these days

 

(Their mates are cool though, loaned one of them Dark Souls Remastered after he raved about Bloodborne!  HE'S NOW A FROM CONVERT.  Chatted with another about how amazing Resident Evil 2 remake was. TALKED AT HIM ABOUT RESI 4 LIKE A NERD. 

 

I was like, the coolest dad, for about 20 minutes and it was amazing. 

 

PS - fanks!!  I do love getting super hyped about something.  Nothing's doing it for me at the minute though.  I'm currently binging the entire Tim Rogers back catalogue.  It's a good source of hype, in a strange way ❤️

 

[Rayn]

4 minutes ago, robdood said:

@Rayn it's the curse of written communication, so much context missed  Sorry if I came across a bit curt / terse, I was in pre-coffee state this morning when I typed that. 

 

And tbh I do empathise with the frustration - the teenagers in my household, man. One only plays FIFA.  It makes him destroy controllers.  The other spent some hard-earned pocket money on FALLOUT 76.  Jesus. IF ONLY I COULD GET THEM TO SEE THE LIGHT.  Thing is though, they're quite happy in their own little patterns of consumption. I just try to ride along with their enthusiasm, these days

 

(Their mates are cool though, loaned one of them Dark Souls Remastered after he raved about Bloodborne!  HE'S NOW A FROM CONVERT.  Chatted with another about how amazing Resident Evil 2 remake was. TALKED AT HIM ABOUT RESI 4 LIKE A NERD. 

 

I was like, the coolest dad, for about 20 minutes and it was amazing. 

 

 

 

 

I've also been through the "destroying controllers" bit and I would have nothing of it. I told my kids that if a game ever triggers you to rage, and that rage have you throwing/bashing the controller then I'd forbid gaming on any of my consoles or the computer. My eldest went from breaking three controllers and a table, all in gaming rage, to never ever having a rage fit ever again after my lecture/ultimatum. Perhaps I was lucky to reach into his common sense, perhaps he actually just mattured naturally but it was refreshing to see him being able to lose a game without raging in the end. 

 

Regarding your kid spending money on Fallout 76, well, I was a hater myself when it was released but I do have to admit that it has turned out to be a rather good Fallout game (or game in general, for that matter). I'm trying to support my kids in whatever game they're in to and generally I'm very satisfied, the only exception is that my youngest boy is hooked on Roblox. I've tried to steer him away from that platform/gaming universe but to no avail. Hopefully he'll come to his senses in the end, 

[robdood]

Ha, our controller-destroyer just had to fund a replacement himself.  That took some saving (and thus a while without games), and at first he splurged on a knockoff /cheap replica off ebay.  Oooof.  He regretted that purchase.  Saved up for a proper one.  It's survived nearly two years! 

[Escape]

I think I belong to both camps, insofar as I feel a lot of games have lost their purity to player-retention elements. I'd very much welcome paying £70 if it meant doing away with egregious grinding, with DLC limited to proper old-school updates. Uncharted 2's multiplayer was very basic, but it was through that simplicity I loved it. It needed much better netcode, but there was no fat.

 

I'm currently playing Forza Horizon 5 using the ramp glitch, and it's still taken about 15 hours to unlock most of its cars. You could play through Gran Turismo 2 in that! Which is fine if you enjoy hundreds of hours without questioning your unlock sinkage, but I expect most of us do? I've played Tekken 7 that long, but just for the fun of playing.

 

I think these big games knowingly prey on addictive personalities now, and I wish that through playing them we didn't indicate our collective support for that side. But I don't see how to avoid lots of gamers whinging if their favourites reverted to pre-DLC designs. We can get really invested in trying to hit a certain rank, and it seems worthwhile at the time, but then years later we might not even remember what it was. Gameplay memories endure.

[Festoon]

Personally, I haven't enjoyed games as much since we left the days of "You're a kid in a chicken costume, called Billy Hatcher, and you have a giant egg".

 

A lot of modern games look and feel very similar to me.

[Nick R]

On 15/11/2021 at 13:16, englishbob said:

Since the internet I've no idea on what most discussions on it are about unless you have an exhaustive knowledge of memes and quotes

 

[...]

 

I'm sure at rllmuk there will be a time where all responses will just be a meme anyway

 

On 15/11/2021 at 14:09, Harsin said:

This thread is like 20 Spider-Men all pointing at each other.