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Waggo

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Dark Fate is literally 100 times better.  It would be a toss up between T3 and Dark Fate for 3rd place in my ranking, with my admiration for the ending of T3 probably just nicking it.

 

I would give it a go as it vastly superior to Salvation and Genysis.

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Stig

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5 hours ago, Down by Law said:

1. Best film = Terminator 2 but this was so close, I prefer the first in many ways but the second one just pips it for me, especially in the vehicular mayhem stakes.

2. Best Arnie Terminator - Terminator 1

3. Best Sarah Connor - Terminator 2 

4. Best bad guy - T1000. 

5. Best one liner - Come with me if you want to live T2 (though personally I'm a big fan of responce... FUCK YOU 'AZZHOLE' of course.)

6. Best John Connor - Terminator scarred up badass Michael Edwards

7. Best ending - Terminator 2 - Sarah and John drive into the sunset, hopeful for the future now that Judgement Day won't happen

8. Best Kyle Reese - Michael Biehn

 

This is exactly what I voted for but went with "I'll be back" as best one liner.

 

Arnie wanted to change that line to "I will be back" because he said it sounded more robotic but Cameron flat out said no.

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1 hour ago, Stigweard said:

 

This is exactly what I voted for but went with "I'll be back" as best one liner.

 

Arnie wanted to change that line to "I will be back" because he said it sounded more robotic but Cameron flat out said no.


Up and at them!

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Surprised by the love for the T3 ending - I hated how it shat all over the ending of Judgement Day then, and I still hate it now.
 

T2’s note to the audience was that there is no fate. It’s a hopeful message - no matter how bad things appear, they don’t have to turn out the way they’re going. 
 

Terminator 3 said - fuck that, yes they do, and tell your mum to move out of my house. 
 

The later movies are objectively worse, but this transgression can not be forgiven. 

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Waggo

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T3 ending is a basic time travel Predestination Paradox though.

 

The future cannot be changed because it is already linked with the past, ever since the original Terminator went back in time to 1984 to kill Sarah Connor.  
 

For that Terminator to exist to have gone back in time then Skynet must exist in order to build and deploy it.  Skynet rose to power via Judgement day, so by default Judgement Day had to happen.

 

T2 is clearly the better film, but in terms of time travel science T3 is correcting a mistake the T2 ending makes, as the T2 ending is actually the transgression in that it shits on the original Terminator film.
 

 

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Pob

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8 hours ago, Waggo said:

T3 ending is a basic time travel Predestination Paradox though.

 

The future cannot be changed because it is already linked with the past, ever since the original Terminator went back in time to 1984 to kill Sarah Connor.  
 

For that Terminator to exist to have gone back in time then Skynet must exist in order to build and deploy it.  Skynet rose to power via Judgement day, so by default Judgement Day had to happen.

 

I don't think so - plenty of things get changed by the time travellers in T2 and T3 (T1 is the only film in the series that presents a closed time-loop). The message of T3 is that Judgement Day will likely always happen in some form because humanity is bound to create an AI self-aware enough destroy mankind.

 

I voted for T3 as the best ending mainly because I feel a bit sorry for it. It has no reason to exist but Wolfgang Peterson did a great job with it nontheless.

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28 minutes ago, Fry Crayola said:

 

Wolfgang Petersen had nothing to do with it. 

Sorry! I get him and Jonathan Mostow confused, I think because they both did submarine films and both operate in the same kind of genres.

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Waggo

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1 hour ago, Pob said:

 

I don't think so - plenty of things get changed by the time travellers in T2 and T3 (T1 is the only film in the series that presents a closed time-loop). 


Which was my point perhaps a bit clumsily put that the ending of T2 undermines the closed time loop of T1, and the ending of T3 goes some way to repairing that.

 

For the T2 ending to have worked then you are talking alternate timelines and not causal loops, In which case there would be no memory of the events ever having happened for Sarah Connor.  John Connor would never have existed, as no Skynet means no time travel, hence no Kyle Reece going back to 84 etc etc.

 

As SpagMasterSwift so elegantly quoted ‘You could go crazy thinking about all this’.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Waggo said:

Which was my point perhaps a bit clumsily put that the ending of T2 undermines the closed time loop of T1, and the ending of T3 goes some way to repairing that.

Kind of, but then you start to bring in the idea that a God-like figure somehow ensures that the 'big' events take place but smaller changes don't matter. The worst kind of time travel story! I prefer the idea that humanity, by its nature, is doomed to create an AI that destroys its maker.

 

That's why I like the ending of T3 so much: stopping one man and one company creating a sentient AI is ultimately pointless when a whole bunch of other corporations within the military-industrial complex will just move in to fill the vacuum.

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My kinda topic!

 

Kinda voted for the obvious ones. 

 

Will say this, the T-1000 is one of cinemas greatest villains. Robert Patrick absolutely nailed it perfectly in every conceivable way. 

 

T2 is my favourite followed by T1. I think its fine to skip the rest but Dark Fate is the best of the sequels and genuinely has some brilliant action scenes. Plus it made me cry real sad tears. 

 

 

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Stig

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1 hour ago, Ry said:

 

Will say this, the T-1000 is one of cinemas greatest villains. Robert Patrick absolutely nailed it perfectly in every conceivable way. 

 

Yeah, he's incredible. As much as I love Arnies T800 in T1, there's something even more menacing and terrifying about the T1000. One is a unrelenting killing machine, but one is an unrelenting killing machine with speed, cunning and the ability to mimic. Patrick never falters in the role either, he's terrifying throughout.

 

They originally wanted Billy Idol to play the T1000. Imagine that 😆

 

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Fry Crayola

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This thread made me watch T2 again last night. A good decision.

 

I wish I could go in blind. The film itself clearly intends to hide who the villain is until the mall - the T-800 is introduced in a similar way to the original film, stoically arriving through time and proceeding to never flinch while being stubbed, stabbed and smashed in pursuit of some clothing. The T-1000, however, doesn't arrive on-screen, uses stealth to get the jump on the investigating officer, and is personable and chatty when enquiring about John. It's clearly set up to make you feel that this is another resistance hero, especiailly given Sarah's opening voiceover refers only to a "a lone warrior, a protector".

 

So the eventual "get down!" should really come as a surprise to the viewer as much as it does John. Of course, I don't think many people got that chance. The trailer outright reveals it, because of course it does.

 

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Except for the bit where the T1000 stabs a police officer moments after materialising, I agree.

 

I feel like Star Trek 2 was filmed in a similar way, with the reveal of the villain being a big surprise. Checkhov finds the 'Botany Bay' insignia, which die-hard fans would get, then Khan arrives and slowly reveals his face. But then the film is called 'The Wrath of Khan' and Ricardo Montalban is on all the posters.

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3 minutes ago, Pob said:

 

I feel like Star Trek 2 was filmed in a similar way, with the reveal of the villain being a big surprise. Checkhov finds the 'Botany Bay' insignia, which die-hard fans would get, then Khan arrived and slowly reveals his face. But then the film is called 'The Wrath of Khan' and Ricardo Montalban is on all the posters.


Although Checkhov didn’t arrive until S2 so wouldn’t have known about the Botany Bay. 
 

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