Formula One - 2022 - Rllmuk League is live

[Blue]

2 minutes ago, bear said:

I wonder if McLaren will have a problem with the result. Looking at the BBC site as I haven't done the math myself it seems like they went from being 4.5 points behind Alpine to 13 once full points were awarded for the race. 

 

It's not like the FIA have made up a new rule, just applied the rule as it is written. That no-one seemed to know the rule is irrelevant.

[mexos]

9 minutes ago, Blue said:

 

It was better last year, sure, but I wouldn't call it night and day.

 

Last year you could make a pretty good argument that he was a dirty driver. I can't recall anything this year that made me wince like the shit he got up to last year. Obvs it helps if you are just 10 secs up the road with no one to bother you but still. He defended quite differently to Charles in the heated battles they had at the start of the year compared to in 21.

[Blue]

31 minutes ago, mexos said:

 

Really? Last year you could make a pretty good argument that he was a dirty driver. I can't recall anything this year that made me wince like the shit he got up to last year.

 

It's an interesting topic, I think. My point was that no-one could complain that he won through "dirty" driving this year.

However, last year he had a car that for the first time, had a chance of challenging Lewis. The first chance anyone had to challenge the utter dominance Mercedes had for the entire hybrid era. The frustration of that dominace. Not a car that could dominate Merc, though, so he had to fight extremely hard, race extremely hard.

Yes it called for desperate lunges and an aggressive mindset, but I doubt anyone else in that RB could have done it. Was it dirty? Maybe. Is that bad? Depends how fiercely you want to see drivers trying to win. It's for the stewards to decide what is legal in that regard after all. Some stewards decisions he won and some he lost so...

You can't deny it made for the most exciting season in many years despite the disappointment of how it finished. More exciting than this season where he didn't have to work so hard for it. I personally don't want to see racing where no-one puts it all on the line to make overtakes. Where the only overtakes are easy and nice and polite. I want to see argy bargy. Giving it everything.

 

[ryodi]

I had to go out when the race ended and when I check to see what Leclerc's penalty is I find out Max is champion. Did no one at the FIA follow the coverage and let the teama and broadcasters  know they were wrong and it is a full points race, which is a bit ridiculous because every other race series needs at least 75% race distance for them to be awarded and Max didn't get his moment crossing the line because no one knew. It was fitting his season of dominance was confirmed by yet another Leclerc mistake giving him while chasing him that gave Max enough points to seal it. 

 

35 minutes ago, mexos said:

 

Last year you could make a pretty good argument that he was a dirty driver. I can't recall anything this year that made me wince like the shit he got up to last year. 

 

His battle against Mick at Silverstone Max used his 2021 driving standards but that's it, he's been so far ahead this year he hasn't needed to . 

 

Hamilton's battle against Ocon shows just how far Mercedes have fallen this season. I'm not sure if it was the engine or the draggy nature of the car but it looked like it had a parachute on it when he pulled out of the slipstream. His record of a pole and win each season is coming to an end, hopefully Mercedes can build a fast enough car next year to finally get him title number eight but it's hard to see it happening with the speed advantage Red Bull have. 

[Wallpaper]

Disgusting (but all too predicable) that the FIA are trying to push the blame towards Gasly driving too fast and creating the danger with the crane.  Their job when it comes to safety is to save these guys from themselves, they’ve never really properly policed speeding under yellow and red flags so drivers will push their luck, Jule’s crash was at this same circuit and he was going too fast too, was nothing learnt?

[Oracle]

22 minutes ago, ryodi said:

I had to go out when the race ended and when I check to see what Leclerc's penalty is I find out Max is champion. Did no one at the FIA follow the coverage and let the teama and broadcasters  know they were wrong and it is a full points race, which is a bit ridiculous because every other race series needs at least 75% race distance for them to be awarded and Max didn't get his moment crossing the line because no one knew. It was fitting his season of dominance was confirmed by yet another Leclerc mistake giving him while chasing him that gave Max enough points to seal it. 

 

 

His battle against Mick at Silverstone Max used his 2021 driving standards but that's it, he's been so far ahead this year he hasn't needed to . 

 

Hamilton's battle against Ocon shows just how far Mercedes have fallen this season. I'm not sure if it was the engine or the draggy nature of the car but it looked like it had a parachute on it when he pulled out of the slipstream. His record of a pole and win each season is coming to an end, hopefully Mercedes can build a fast enough car next year to finally get him title number eight but it's hard to see it happening with the speed advantage Red Bull have. 

I think they’ll be back near or at the top next year, they know what’s wrong with the car but can’t fix it this year due to the budget cap. 

[Blue]

Christ, they've hit Pierre with every penalty in the book. 

[sprite]

State of it, I’ve tuned in to my recorded “Japanese Grand Prix Replay” and it’s just the Chequered Flag show and my actual Grand Prix recording is missing in action. 
 

The replay programme is still on air as such.  WTF Sky.

[ryodi]

Leclerc got a penalty point as well. Since when do you get penalty points for leaving the track and gaining an advantage. 

[Count Buffalos]

Great race once it got going, with some great driving.

[mexos]

55 minutes ago, Blue said:

Was it dirty? Maybe. Is that bad? Depends how fiercely you want to see drivers trying to win. It's for the stewards to decide what is legal in that regard after all. Some stewards decisions he won and some he lost so...

You can't deny it made for the most exciting season in many years despite the disappointment of how it finished. More exciting than this season where he didn't have to work so hard for it. I personally don't want to see racing where no-one puts it all on the line to make overtakes. Where the only overtakes are easy and nice and polite. I want to see argy bargy. Giving it everything.

 

 

 

Yes and no. I watch F1 because it's the best. Best cars, best drivers. I want to see good racecraft and hard but fair racing. I have no interest in NASCAR or other bumper car series. Exciting can easily spill over into just exhausting and frustrating to watch. 

 

[Sidewaysbob]

Well, the best thing about that was I didn't get up at 6am to watch it. 

 

That has to be the biggest anticlimax to a season in history. Imagine, when max is an old man bouncing his grandson on his knee, he'll learn over and say "let me tell about the time Johnny Herbert told me I'd won my second championship" and everyone will roll their eyes and walk off. 

 

Roll on 2023

[jonamok]

So, I hate Max, and despise Horner and Redbull.

 

But fair’s fair, it’s time to temporarily put that to one side.

 

So, most sincerely, I’d like to congratulate Max Verstappen on winning his first world championship.

[mexos]

4 minutes ago, jonamok said:

So, most sincerely, I’d like to congratulate Max Verstappen on winning his first world championship.

 

It's not outside the realm of possibility that come next week that statement is correct as far as the official results go. I mean, it's not going to happen. But it is possible. 

[ryodi]

Sky are definitely going to get Croft to record a new voiceover for the end of the race that they can use on the bumpers next year. 
 

Just now, mexos said:

 

It's not outside the realm of possibility that come next week that statement is correct as far as the official results go. I mean, it's not going to happen. But it is possible. 

 

At worst I’m expecting a Schumacher 99 situation where they strip Red Bull of the points but they keep the wins and trophies on their record. But it’s going to be a whole lot of nothing.

[mexos]

3 hours ago, ryodi said:

Sky are definitely going to get Croft to record a new voiceover for the end of the race that they can use on the bumpers next year. 
 

 

At worst I’m expecting a Schumacher 99 situation where they strip Red Bull of the points but they keep the wins and trophies on their record. But it’s going to be a whole lot of nothing.

 

Given how badly they have handled anything messaging related over the past many years I full expect here is the judgement, it's like this 'because' (instead of offering any form of detail) and this is our decision case closed. 

 

There is no form of appeal so the judgement really is the way it's going to be full stop. The interesting bit will be how much or low little detail we get.

 

As far as the punishment goes, well if that doesn't jive with the public's perceived 'crime' then... oh boy. 

 

Obvs we the unwashed public won't get huge levels of detail. But the other teams might just get more. Then how big a stink kicks up?

 

 

[Sidewaysbob]

Was the redbull overspend paying the FIA off 🤔

[Blue]

Didn't even know RB had been found to have overspent. When did that happen?

[Shimmyhill]

1 minute ago, Blue said:

Didn't even know RB had been found to have overspent. When did that happen?

 

Ive seen loads of stuff on twitter and TikTok about Red Bulls overspend being 12m but then after some recalculations its 150k…. No idea where it’s all come from but they also have Aston Martin at a 4m overspend. However there is nothing in any mainstream motor racing site I can find so its all either made up or leaked hence the odd delay.

 

Regardless of the result, Max has driven well this season so congratulations to him - lets hope it is all legal and above board as a second farce its not what the sport needs outside the Netflix show obv  

 

 

[Sidewaysbob]

38 minutes ago, Blue said:

Didn't even know RB had been found to have overspent. When did that happen?

 I think it's an open secret at this point

 

[Blue]

Ah. Secret. 

[wev]

His Uncles Brother in Law is Toto Wolf's cleaners husband 

[jonathanhoey]

In other news completely unrelated to the championship, I found this 1:64 model Ferrari the other day for £2 in a charity shop, new and unopened.
 

It seems to have been from some kind of blind-box series from 2007.

 

 

 

I got Alain Prost’s F1-91.

 

 

 

 

 

Just a gorgeous-looking racing car.

[Sidewaysbob]

Does it burst into flames when you press a button? 

[jonathanhoey]

3 minutes ago, Sidewaysbob said:

Does it burst into flames when you press a button? 

Is that the car that was such a dog he didn’t win a race all year, and outspokenly hated the machine so much that they fired him for it?

 

Still looks great though doesn’t it

[mexos]

You could use it to create a little diorama of the hilly approach to Rivazza with it parked up on the side on the grass. 

[Vespa Alex]

9 hours ago, Oracle said:

I think they’ll be back near or at the top next year, they know what’s wrong with the car but can’t fix it this year due to the budget cap.

Am I imagining it, or was the Mercedes fast enough in a straight line when it was porpoising at the start of the season?

Did they fix that and add drag at the same time?

[jonathanhoey]

8 minutes ago, Vespa Alex said:

Am I imagining it, or was the Mercedes fast enough in a straight line when it was porpoising at the start of the season?

Did they fix that and add drag at the same time?

 

I think they couldn't fix the porpoising/bouncing without raising the ride height a fair old bit, thereby losing a lot of the underfloor suction, so they had to add too much topside aero downforce to compensate. Overbody downforce comes at the expense of much more drag than underfloor-generated downforce. 

[wev]

Also Alpine sacrificed reliability to performance when building their engine so their car is very good in a straight line

[kiroquai]

2 hours ago, mexos said:

You could use it to create a little diorama of the hilly approach to Rivazza with it parked up on the side on the grass. 

Now you see technically  this would be incorrect. Prost’s spin into the grass that day was in the rather lazily ‘that’ll do’ developed 642, which the 643 was rushed out to succeed from France onwards when it became clear to Ferrari that a tepidly reheated version of the 1990 car just wasn’t going to cut it 

 

The 643 is possibly my favourite F1 car in terms of looks and sound. It’s a pretty evocative piece of machinery, especially when paired with Alesi’s helmet and a shower of sparks.