Formula One - 2022 - Rllmuk League is live

[Shimmyhill]

I wonder if the procedural breach is failing to put wind tunnel development in the right column… easy to put it under canapés… 

[mexos]

SWEEP THE LEG.

[bear]

30 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

It was slow in pre season testing and everyone thought it was sandbagging - I did see an article the other day that said Mercedes identified the issue very early on but unable to resolve it this season due to development budget 

 

 

I'm guessing the article was based on the most recent episode of Beyond the Grid, which was an interview with Mike Elliot from Mercedes who says that they know what the fundamental flaw with the W13 is but they can't fix it this season because of the cost cap. 

 

It's a dry enough show but that episode was worth listening to, I'd assumed they'd be moving away from the zero sidepod design for next year but after listening to Elliot I'm not sure anymore. 

[Corranga]

40 minutes ago, mexos said:

FIA OFFICIAL: Studies 2021 WDC table. *thinks*.

 

I think a...10... no, hang on 7... SEVEN point WDC points deduction is about right. Case closed folks!

 

You're reading it all wrong, it doesn't say which season the deduction will take place.

 

 

Max to loose 25, 50, whatever from this year to not make any difference penalise Red Bull

 

[Corranga]

1 hour ago, ryodi said:

Of course they wouldn’t have had £2m  to spend on the car if they’d budgeted for catering properly. 

 

Catering...

 

 

[mexos]

Mikey we only need one or two more million quid. 

[Shimmyhill]

37 minutes ago, bear said:

I'm guessing the article was based on the most recent episode of Beyond the Grid, which was an interview with Mike Elliot from Mercedes who says that they know what the fundamental flaw with the W13 is but they can't fix it this season because of the cost cap. 

 

It's a dry enough show but that episode was worth listening to, I'd assumed they'd be moving away from the zero sidepod design for next year but after listening to Elliot I'm not sure anymore. 

 

Ahhh yeah, I listen to that so maybe a combo!

[mexos]

F1 twitter doing its thing right now but it did throw up this retweeted nugget from last week. 

 

 

 

[mexos]

[Shimmyhill]

Come now @mexos, the rules are clear and if you have a wing 2mm wrong it’s to the back of the grid, dont have enough fuel in the car? Disqualified - i’m sure a financial breach making the entered car and organisation illegal will be dealt with properly…….

[layten]

2 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

Come now @mexos, the rules are clear and if you have a wing 2mm wrong it’s to the back of the grid, dont have enough fuel in the car? Disqualified - i’m sure a financial breach making the entered car and organisation illegal will be dealt with properly…….

0.2mm

[layten]

Sneak peek at next race's Red Bull hospitality catering.

Spoiler

 

[PaB]

13 hours ago, mexos said:

F1 twitter doing its thing right now but it did throw up this retweeted nugget from last week. 

 

 

 

I’m working on the assumption that if the FIA are reporting a minor breach by red bull, then the actual amount is way beyond 5%. 

[ryodi]

In other completing unsurprising news

 

 

I’ve only seen their logo on Jake Hill’s BTCC car this year but it looks like Williams weren’t alone in having a bad experience with them.

[marsh]

53 minutes ago, ryodi said:

In other completing unsurprising news

 

 

I’ve only seen their logo on Jake Hill’s BTCC car this year but it looks like Williams weren’t alone in having a bad experience with them.

 

I think there was a leading british superbike team that got royally shafted by them, but I may have confused it with everybody's favourite non paying energy drinks maker, rich energy.

[Darren]

1 hour ago, ryodi said:

In other completing unsurprising news

 

 

I’ve only seen their logo on Jake Hill’s BTCC car this year but it looks like Williams weren’t alone in having a bad experience with them.

 

Yeah but they raised a lot of money awareness great party vibes for the homeless.

 

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[mexos]

Noble thinks it will be a fine and a repremand. I was thinking about this and how awful that is - just overspend and pay a fine UNLESS...

 

The fine comes from their 2023 budget. For a minor overspend make the fine £10m + whatever they overspent from their next year's budget (increasing on a sliding scale for repeated offences) and that is a pretty good deterrent.

 

2021 and 2022 are locked in stone - no way they will change any results (even if they should). So whatever penalty they get it needs to be against next years championship imo.

[Sidewaysbob]

Just how much catering would $2 million buy you i wonder ?

0.25 seconds a lap maybe? 

[mexos]

Enough to make the difference between winning and coming third in many races IMO. 

[wev]

1 hour ago, marsh said:

 

I think there was a leading british superbike team that got royally shafted by them, but I may have confused it with everybody's favourite non paying energy drinks maker, rich energy.

That was, as you said, (Not) Rich Energy

[wev]

13 minutes ago, Sidewaysbob said:

Just how much catering would $2 million buy you i wonder ?

0.25 seconds a lap maybe? 

If they weren't spending $2m on feeding Max he'd have to eat Iceland ready meals, why won't you think of the 2X* WDC!?

[ryodi]

41 minutes ago, mexos said:

Noble thinks it will be a fine and a repremand. I was thinking about this and how awful that is - just overspend and pay a fine UNLESS...

 

The fine comes from their 2023 budget. For a minor overspend make the fine £10m + whatever they overspent from their next year's budget (increasing on a sliding scale for repeated offences) and that is a pretty good deterrent.

 

2021 and 2022 are locked in stone - no way they will change any results (even if they should). So whatever penalty they get it needs to be against next years championship imo.

Which would make the cost cap pointless. If I’m chasing a title and I know an overspend of £2m will win it and that can’t be taken away because punishments would only apply to future seasons in a way I can account for in advance I’d absolutely do it. 

[kiroquai]

17 hours ago, Corranga said:

 

 

Ironically, that Red Bull car has a very nice coke bottle rear bodywork section!

 

I just can't see any kind of financial penalty as workable in this situation. I mean, imagine the situation this time next year.

 

'Hey FIA accountants, so here are our accounts for 2023!'

 

'Er... Christian, we gave you a financial penalty for this season. You seem to have spent up to the full cap anyway?'

 

'....'

 

'....'

 

'*sigh* okay Christian, well here's a slap on the wrist, a sternly-worded press release from us and we will be giving you a cost cap penalty for next year. Make sure you stick to it, yeah?'

 

2024

 

'Hey FIA accountants, so here are our accounts for 2024!'

 

'Thanks ChristiOH FOR FUCK'S SAKE CHRISTIAN YOU DID IT AGAIN HERE'S ANOTHER PENALTY FOR NEXT YEAR'.

 

[mexos]

1 hour ago, ryodi said:

Which would make the cost cap pointless. If I’m chasing a title and I know an overspend of £2m will win it and that can’t be taken away because punishments would only apply to future seasons in a way I can account for in advance I’d absolutely do it. 

 

They don't have the guts to take away a championship that's already been 'won.' That I am 100% certain of. So imo you will always have an issue here. Which is why a harsh future championship punishment feels to me to be more realistic. 

 

The sliding scale for repeat offences would help. Maybe RB would get a £15m odd penalty for the next season this time as it's the 'first time' . Do it again and bump that to 30  / 40 / 50. Give them race bans etc etc.

 

Ideally they would retrospectively change the results but they are chicken. 

[Sidewaysbob]

The FIA will scrap cost caps and apologies for wasting everyone's time

[GwiDan]

I see that the “drivers have come out in support of Gasly”. I don’t like the tractor on track, but he was definitely going far too quickly for the conditions, no matter what the rules said about staying above the delta. His issue is what if he hit the tractor, but what if he’d hit the marshal that was working on the car? 

[Shimmyhill]

They may as well declare this years car illegal and ban it from the remaking races, they already got what they wanted with Max claiming his second tittle** but this way they are seen to being strict on the rules and punishing the constructors. 

 

Toto will be happy as Mercedes will claim the constructors and Ferrari will be pleased that Redbull are punished and will learn lessons for failing to secure the constructors championship this year - they will return as a stronger team next season… 

[rafaqat]

Can't really punish Max.  It's got to be the constructors championship points they'll have to target.    I'd imagine they'd have to make it meaty enough to give the other teams a sniff at the constructors to placate them but to also make sure they know what would happen to them if they breach regulations.  A fine and reprimand would be absolute chaos for future seasons and the FIA know it.  I refuse to belive they are THAT stupid.   If they had any sense they'd also stick on some fine around aero time to allow the others to get closer. RB looks so far ahead at the moment that I doubt the other wil catch them easily next season.

 

 

Well done to Max. Superb drives.  I hated the Schumacher dominance. I enjoyed the Hamilton dominance so I have to roll with it. Someone always has their chance to shine and dominate for a while.   Hopefully next year is at least a little closer.

[rgraves]

3 minutes ago, rafaqat said:

RB looks so far ahead at the moment that I doubt the other wil catch them easily next season.

 

And that's a big issue with the other teams - the overspend gives them a headstart that just remains there if they take points or fine them etc - they got 'artificially' ahead by spending more so it needs something to allow the others to get caught back up. The entire idea was to 'level the playing field', so you need to be seen to do something if one team just ignores that (especially when it's the team that has pulled itself so far ahead in development terms - everyone will always wonder quite how much was brilliance, quite how much was just raw development spend.

[mexos]

11 minutes ago, rafaqat said:

Can't really punish Max.

 

You really can. If the car he's in was produced outside of the rules then every performance he made has benefitted from it.