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As always, it comes down to "What's in it for Potter?"

 

The Big Rich Clubs seem to think that they can just waltz in and take a manager just because they are Big Rich Clubs.  Potter is seeing the fruits of his work at Brighton, why would he walk away right now to a club that is a bit of a mess and going to be an absolute headache to fix before the ejector seat button is pressed in under two years anyway?

 

Money might be a factor, but he's likely to be on £4m a year for as long as he wants it and staying in place now does his future chances absolutely no harm, so why have the hassle?

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Give it to Hayes. Hopefully cause some unrest in the squad before their trip to Prenton Park for the Liverpool game ;)

 

I've actually seen some people suggest Hayes but she'd be mad to do it if the owners decided that. They may both be Chelsea but the women's team of the polar opposite in terms of stability. 

 

On the other hand. Whilst it will never happen it would be hilarious to see her come in and do better than recent managers and watch Twitter and the like implode.

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2 hours ago, fatbob said:

I think it's cool that despite a change of owners, board, CEO, DoF etc.. Chelsea sticking with the strong brand of sacking a manager every 18 months to 2 years.

 

It's good to keep the club's traditions going.

They have won a shit load of trophies with that strategy so I suppose it makes sense.

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29 minutes ago, bradigor said:

Give it to Hayes. Hopefully cause some unrest in the squad before their trip to Prenton Park for the Liverpool game ;)

 

 

 

How about go one better and give it to Terry?

 

I'm sure he's sat at home, patiently waiting by the phone in full warm up kit.

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8 minutes ago, Scruff said:

 

How about go one better and give it to Terry?

 

I'm sure he's sat at home, patiently waiting by the phone in full warm up kit.

 

But that keeps the women's team as they were the the Liverpool game. That's not part of the plan!

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1 hour ago, Plissken said:

As always, it comes down to "What's in it for Potter?"

 

The Big Rich Clubs seem to think that they can just waltz in and take a manager just because they are Big Rich Clubs.  Potter is seeing the fruits of his work at Brighton, why would he walk away right now to a club that is a bit of a mess and going to be an absolute headache to fix before the ejector seat button is pressed in under two years anyway?

 

Money might be a factor, but he's likely to be on £4m a year for as long as he wants it and staying in place now does his future chances absolutely no harm, so why have the hassle?

FOMO probably. There have been other very well thought of coaches with smaller clubs that didn’t take the chance when available. 
 

Then if things start to turn sour (which they always do) that ship might have sailed. 

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But how sour does it have to get before he's damaged?  He can take Brighton into / to the verge of Europe and if they drop to 14th afterwards then you can say "ah well, reversion to the mean, what did you expect?"  Same with Dyche at Burnley, he over-achieved for so long, with so little that he's likely to be a Premier League manager by the end of the season.

 

SSN are reporting that Chelsea have approached Brighton for permission.  I think he would be mad to take it.

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Potter should take it if he thinks he'll never get this chance again. The thing is that if he has the confidence in himself that he should have, he should make his demands clear and stick with Brighton when Chelsea fail to guarantee them. Just take a look at how they treated Villas Boas when he was the golden boy they wanted more than anyone.

 

I genuinely think if he sticks to his guns then whichever job from City or Liverpool opens up first, he'd be the favourite for.

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By the time Brighton start to revert to the mean, the Chelsea job will be available again anyway.

 

Ah, Andre Villas-Boas.  The greatest Burnley manager there never was.  Probably told this story before but...

 

The Board let it be known a few years after that - post Owen Coyle walking out - AVB came in for an interview with a bunch of PowerPoint slides detailing the squad, stats, how he would set the team up differently, how he would deal with a Championship season and delivered it over a couple of hours in obviously accented English.  They told the story as "look at this funny little man expecting to be a manager of Burnley and giving a team talk like that to our players" and were somewhat surprised to hear the fans response of "We would have liked that a lot to be honest, especially as who you actually decided to appoint was Brian Laws."

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The challenge for Potter is can he manage the ego of a lot of international players who will have much higher expectations than the Brighton squad, or will they be wary of his lack of top-level coaching experience and therefore find it hard/refuse to respect his ideas?

 

There's also the much bigger scrutiny of everything he does, along with the pressures of trying to get what sounds to be a fractured dressing room into some kind of order.

 

That said, I'm sure he has belief in himself so why not try it? What, realistically is the ceiling at Brighton - probably regular top-10 finishes? Why not experience a level he never did as a player, even if it went badly I'm sure plenty of sides would still take him on.

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6 minutes ago, fatbob said:

Maybe it's unfair to judge so soon, but Todd Bohley's actions and way of operating has a whiff of the Ed Woodward to it.  

 

I don't think that he actually knows how to run a football club.  Which is understandable, given the circumstances and speed at which he ended up buying Chelsea but he's spent £2.5bn without an actual plan and if he thinks it works like his US franchises - where the owners largely work together for the common good - he's in for a real shock.

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Leave Gary Porter alone! 🤬

 

FWIW he did say it was Tony Bloom and the vision of the board which attracted him to Brighton in the first instance and I was kind of hoping that would keep him here. But being given permission to speak with Chelsea is a bad sign (this happened with Dan Ashworth and Newcastle too) so I'm prepared for the worst.

 

We've done OK without Cucurella, Bissouma and Maupay over the first gameweeks of the season but losing Potter/Reid/Hamberg and probably Moises Caciedo in the next transfer window could likely sink us.

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6 hours ago, deerokus said:

American owners LOVE premature firings. See Scottish football where about a third of the league is American owned these days.

 

Leipzig sacked their manager too, less surprisingly as they are horrendous. Why do I fear they will take Tuchel and turn good...


 

Of course Chelsea were famously lenient with their managers when Roman was in charge. 
 

I’d totally get it if Potter went. Chelsea is one of those jobs you kind of have to take, right? Huge club with huge ambitions and a chance to work with world class players who are in their prime. 

 I can see why it might fail for all the reasons pointed out in this thread, the egos, the demand for instant success and so on but because Chelsea are so batshit it’s easy to come out of there with your reputation intact no matter how things go.  

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3 hours ago, Plissken said:

By the time Brighton start to revert to the mean, the Chelsea job will be available again anyway.

 

Ah, Andre Villas-Boas.  The greatest Burnley manager there never was.  Probably told this story before but...

 

The Board let it be known a few years after that - post Owen Coyle walking out - AVB came in for an interview with a bunch of PowerPoint slides detailing the squad, stats, how he would set the team up differently, how he would deal with a Championship season and delivered it over a couple of hours in obviously accented English.  They told the story as "look at this funny little man expecting to be a manager of Burnley and giving a team talk like that to our players" and were somewhat surprised to hear the fans response of "We would have liked that a lot to be honest, especially as who you actually decided to appoint was Brian Laws."

 

I still shudder at him actually getting hired by Spurs.  Him with his suit and pieces of paper with lots of technical stuff on it.  He also looked like one of the players himself, not like a gaffer.

  

1 hour ago, Naysonymous said:

 

 

Pffft, quickly postponed it because they'll be without a new manager soon, more like. ;) 

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