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5 hours ago, Chindie said:

 

Drivel? Thanks.

 

Little old Villa. Should know our place clearly.

 

As for the names there... I'd try to have the conversation with Poch, even if it were a long shot. He's been out of work for a while and has been overlooked for the 'elite' appointments in Europe, and in England it doesn't look like there's going to be an opening for a CL team in the near future, so if he wants back into England now we're the best offer he has. And we can offer him something interesting by all accounts - big wages and transfer kitty, with a decent squad to go with and develop. Tuchel is pure nonsense. As is Simeone, who I don't think is even being seriously discussed.

 

Yes I would have turned down Potter pre-Brighton. And I wasn't completely sold on him at Brighton either. He was very streaky and had as many times where they looked hopeless as they did were they punched above their weight

 

I don't see why Villa can't look higher than Dyche. We absolutely should be. Dyche is a decent manager, but he's a decent manager of a particular stripe by all accounts, and doesn't align with where Villa should be and where our owners want to be.

 

I'm sure your club, whoever that may be, can give him the opportunity though. He could be excellent. He deserves a shot somewhere. Perhaps Wolves. He might have a Portuguese nan.

 

Nothing to do with knowing your place and everything to do with the demand for managers at elite clubs. The churn is ridiculous and most managers who have experience in the CL and the top 5 leagues know they can find another CL or close to CL club to join. It's not looking down on Villa to suggest that they should focus on trying to qualify for the Europa League regularly before thinking of top 4.

 

If you're not going to go for someone like Dyche, you're going to have to go for managers like Gerrard or Vieira who haven't managed in the Premier League before and are willing to take as much of a punt on you as you are on them.

 

I don't think Dyche is quite Liverpool level but if Klopp left and we weren't replacing him with Lijnders, I definitely wouldn't have objected to Potter being on the shortlist. He's one of the best managers in England even if he's still a bit inexperienced and inconsistent, but he's shown constant progress and is very clever.

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@Chindie I don't know why I put 'deserve' there, I meant 'should'.

 

And historically you may have been better than that - but that's all it is, history. That doesn't change or confer special benefits to how the team plays now. And I'd also dispute your writing-off of Man City before the 2010s but including Leeds; Man City won the league, FA cup, league cup and European CWC in a little purple patch in the late 60s (plus a number of trophies much earlier.) If Leeds qualify (and I'm not sure I would say they do), then pre-mega rich Man City should too.

 

But again, all of that is meaningless and all it does - as you are demonstrating - is create a sense of entitlement amongst the fanbase that things should be better just because they once were (even if that was years and years before they were born.) To flip that around, at what point (if ever?) does a club stop being a 'big club'?


BUT I actually agree with you that history of a club is important. It does have benefits and can help attract players, investment, creates a 'feelgood' factor and pride in the community etc. I just disagree completely that it is a reason on its own why it should be doing better than it is, almost 'just because'. 

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26 minutes ago, SMD said:

 

Nothing to do with knowing your place and everything to do with the demand for managers at elite clubs. The churn is ridiculous and most managers who have experience in the CL and the top 5 leagues know they can find another CL or close to CL club to join. It's not looking down on Villa to suggest that they should focus on trying to qualify for the Europa League regularly before thinking of top 4.

 

If you're not going to go for someone like Dyche, you're going to have to go for managers like Gerrard or Vieira who haven't managed in the Premier League before and are willing to take as much of a punt on you as you are on them.

 

I don't think Dyche is quite Liverpool level but if Klopp left and we weren't replacing him with Lijnders, I definitely wouldn't have objected to Potter being on the shortlist. He's one of the best managers in England even if he's still a bit inexperienced and inconsistent, but he's shown constant progress and is very clever.

 

I've no issue with going for someone without Premier League experience. I just wouldn't be keen to get someone without success in a top league - Spain, Italy, Germany, maybe France, the Netherlands and Portugal very slightly less so.

 

I also don't expect us to challenge for the CL at all. I'd be beyond delighted tussling for 7th. CL is a pipe dream - I'll be surprised if we play in the CL in my lifetime.

 

I don't think we'll get the likes of Poch. The only glimmer of hope in it is we're probably the best option for him if he fancies coming back to England now - which he probably doesn't. But I'd expect the club to chance it with him - he's out of work and there's not a big CL vacancy, and we're apparently prepared to spend significantly for a big manager. Even so, it's extremely slim chances. 

 

The current front runner is Amorim, apparently, I don't know a great deal about him bar him having a very good record in Portugal and his being very young. It's a gamble but I could see the justification in taking it from the little I know. If it's him or Dyche (which it isn't) I'm going for Amorim.

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I just… it’s entertainment isn’t it? Demanding Aston Villa, the most mid table at best club possibly in the world, be the be all and end all with an incredible champions league winning manager and hailed by all as the Man City of the midlands… is that fun? Is it enjoyable? If Dyche comes in and wins a few games because Dyche is a good manager, is that bad? 
 

I don’t know, I absolutely love football. Outside of them there videogames it’s probably the thing I enjoy most in my life. That was the case when Fulham were reaching Europa League finals but it was also the case when we got a scrappy win against QPR in the championship and the lads at the back of the hammy end somehow stole a steward’s shoe. I wasn’t demanding we reach for European dominance again because that’s not fun. I was watching an overweight Ross McCormack (Villa legend) smash lucky goals in whilst taking my own shoe off and lifting it above my head singing “shoes off if you love Fulham.”

 

People like things for different reasons but it doesn’t seem like the need for Potch and nobody worse makes football a particularly fun pastime. 

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4 minutes ago, neoELITE said:

 

Forest have been great and Henderson and Yates have been superb.

 

 

Nothing against Forest they owned us today. Deserve that result bit Liverpool were absolutely pathetic today.

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35 minutes ago, Chewylegs said:

Well, he has to get his funny little jibes in doesn't he.🙄

 

Despite the ref, the right team won. Every 50/50 decision went Liverpool's way. Elliott should have been booked for an atrocious dive. 

 

The top teams can live with bad refs, see.

 

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