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7 minutes ago, Jammy said:

plus my son leaves Youtube on pause for hours so was a bit nervous about OLED.

Not that it makes any difference to you, but just fyi the LG C1 has a screensaver that kicks in when you leave YouTube or Netflix or whatever on pause for more than a few minutes. It wouldn't have been a problem :)

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As I've said many a time, buying a 55" C9 at the tail end of PS4/Xbox One gen, was a bigger, and better upgrade than when I replaced the same bog standard PS4 & One, with a PS5 and Series X.

 

Hands down most worthwhile upgrade I've ever made for gaming.

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2 hours ago, Kryptonian said:

 

My 50" Panasonic Plasma says 505w in the specs in the manual!

Ouch!!!! 1/2 kilowatt to run a TV!!!! See that is what put me right off getting a plasma... :D 

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1 hour ago, Schnibbles said:

 

Ooh, this is apparently me. I mean, not literally me, but a friend gave me this TV (a 720p 26in LCD from 2007) back in 2015 and I'm still using it. 

 

I'll probably go straight from that to some mindblowing 4K OLED next year and see if it changes my life.


For me, going from 1080p to seeing 4K on a friend’s set was highly impressive. For you, I imagine it’ll be like watching the moon landing live in 1969. :D 

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Our lounge TV has been upgraded to a nice LG OLED but the Xbox is still running from a very old Sony 720p screen. However, I haven't upgrade the Xbox either so that is still on a launch Xbox One. 

 

Yes that's right, I completed Elden Ring on launch Xbox One at a rough 20fps and 720p 🥳

 

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13 hours ago, Kryptonian said:


How about if the old sets use way more power like my nuclear powered plasma? I haven’t replaced it yet and realised this evening that Amazons sale thing is coming up soon but surely an argument can me made for replacing old power hungry screens with newer more efficient ones?

 

My plasma was great while it lasted but ate power and put out tons of heat as well. I don't like replacing stuff before it dies but the sound was going and the power consumption made it worth it for me, and I recycled the plasma, I couldn't have sold it to anyone as I wouldn't have trusted it it to last. 

 

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I bought a 55" C9 back when that was LG's latest and greatest. Works superbly with my (current) only console, the Nintendo Switch. :lol:

 

Although, back in December I replaced my gaming monitor (the first to market 27" 144Hz IPS GSync display) with a 48" LG C1 as the promise of proper HDR along with 120Hz 4K VRR support was too much to resist, and dedicated PC HDR displays are pretty much 99% garbage.

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1 hour ago, layten said:

I bought a 55" C9 back when that was LG's latest and greatest. Works superbly with my (current) only console, the Nintendo Switch. :lol:

 

Although, back in December I replaced my gaming monitor (the first to market 27" 144Hz IPS GSync display) with a 48" LG C1 as the promise of proper HDR along with 120Hz 4K VRR support was too much to resist, and dedicated PC HDR displays are pretty much 99% garbage.

 

 

How close do you sit to the 48" OLED? Is it on a desk?

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16 hours ago, MattyP said:

I wonder out of interest how much energy the average plasma screen uses? How long would you need to use the plasma before a new OLED screen would actually pay for itself in terms of money saved in energy. My guess it would be a fair while :)

 

https://www.batteryequivalents.com/off-the-grid-how-many-watts-does-a-tv-use.html

 

Wow the average 55" plasma uses 370watts.. so around one unit of electricity ever 2 hours..  at an average of 28p per KWh (current prices) over a year with around 4 hours use every day....

 

Plasma 

Usage kw per day = 1.4 * 365 = 511KWh = £151 

 

OLED

Usage kw per day = 392 * 365 = 143 KWh = £43

 

Yep quick calculation shows around £100 on a 55" screen OLED vs Plasma. Wow. Of course these are all average power usages but striking. 

 

Think the main take away for me is the damage to environment TBH which you can't put a price on. However it would be interesting to then work out how much in terms of environmental damage it does to make a new TV vs using an old one to end of life.

 

Edit currently reading this David Attenborough book and feeling very humbled and guilty at the same time. Although I did ponder how much environmental damage his book has actually done! It was in a sale so perhaps I should have bought the e-book :) it goes on... 

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14 hours ago, Kryptonian said:

 

My 50" Panasonic Plasma says 505w in the specs in the manual!

 

Thats what the PSU is max rated at - much like a PC with 750PSU - its not pulling 750w all the time!

 

12 hours ago, MattyP said:

Ouch!!!! 1/2 kilowatt to run a TV!!!! See that is what put me right off getting a plasma... :D 

 

In practice (and I measured this across about 20 sets) a plasma uses barely any more than an LCD based TV - certainly not enough to make it a point to not buy one.

 

My calibrated plasma screens used around 140-180 in general use with peaks higher and often under 100w - this was last measured on a 50” Panasonic GT60 so a higher end screen. LED used less than CCFL LCD tellies but again we are not taking enough to make it a genuine concern, same size and spec would cost £10ish quid a year more back when energy prices were cheaper, ive not measured my current OLED so will have to dig out the meter and see - internet says an average of 88w.

 

I also defi used to save money on heating in the winter with the plasma on 😉

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40 minutes ago, Jamie John said:

 

 

How close do you sit to the 48" OLED? Is it on a desk?

I have it on my desk mounted on a Ergotron HX arm (I could put it in tate mode if I wanted!). It's about 80cm away. You get used to it quicker than you would think. :lol: 

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 This thread has helped me decide not to upgrade my 1200p pc monitor or 1080p TV.

 

 Great as they clearly are an LG OLED TV isn't on the menu due to size and price (not that I think they're overpriced for what they are, it's just far more than I want to spend on a screen). 

 A more modest upgrade to a cheaper 144hz/1440p/4k monitor just doesn't really seem like a massive leap in terms of the experience for my use case/the type of stuff I play, and chasing ultra high framerates/resolutions would put me back on the "need to upgrade PC again" treadmill much sooner. 

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I did get a 1440p 144hz Gsync monitor after getting a 30 series card, but since then I've been using a more smaller/quieter PC for any admin and using the Steam Deck for actual gaming stuff. The extra fidelity and frames are nice, but it's a complete racket when it's firing on all cylinders to the point where it puts me off playing the fucking thing unless it's winter and I need an extra heater.

 

Next to that, I'm still using a 42" 1080p LCD I bought for about £250 from Argos a few years back. I don't feel particularly inclined to upgrade when it's mostly the Series S driving it, and again I'm quite close to it even when viewing it across the bedroom - I don't think I'd actually get a benefit from running 4k resolutions.

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Until recently I was using a 60" 1080p Samsung plasma from 2013, which still had great picture quality but I definitely had my money out of it. I wasn't planning on upgrading, but saw a good deal on the 65" Samsung Frame (about £600 after cashback) and thought it was better to swap while the old TV still worked as I might be able to get some money for it. In the end I sold the old one for £200, so the £400 upgrade was a no-brainer really.

 

I wasn't expecting it to make a huge difference, but after using it for a couple of months, I'm glad I switched. The old TV was like a mirror, while this one is designed to look like a painting when it's not in use, so the reflections are minimal. I've had a few Samsung TVs over the years and this has the best picture of all of them. I did have to jump through a few hoops to get 4k120Hz working though - when I first got my Series X, it would give a black screen when bumping up the resolution, but was fine at 4k60Hz. I did some digging and found a huge thread on the Samsung forum where one of the firmware updates broke that functionality. The fix was to download a patch file and install it via the service menu on the TV - which needs an older remote, not the one that comes with the TV! Not great but once I applied it, it worked perfectly.

 

One bonus thing I didn't expect is that I haven't had any form of motion sickness when using this TV, which I would get after longer gaming sessions on the older one. I put that down to the smoother refresh rate.

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  • 4 weeks later...

I’m on the verge of upgrading my ancient Sony LCD and getting a fancy pants LG OLED but, playing Galaga on my Xbox just now, I have concerns about screen burn. How easy is it to fuck up one of these TVs?

 

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Those borders stay put for as long as you’re playing the game. Is this a scenario I’m going to have to avoid?

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9 minutes ago, Camel said:

I’m on the verge of upgrading my ancient Sony LCD and getting a fancy pants LG OLED but, playing Galaga on my Xbox just now, I have concerns about screen burn. How easy is it to fuck up one of these TVs?

 

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Those borders stay put for as long as you’re playing the game. Is this a scenario I’m going to have to avoid?


No, you don’t need to worry - the TV will have a regular anti-screen burn maintenance operation that it runs automatically which prevents burn in. If it’s anything like mine, an automatic screensaver will turn on after a few minutes of inactivity, and this can’t be turned off, so it’s pretty idiot-proof*.
 

* The first thing I did when I got my OLED was - yes, you guessed it - try to turn this off, so I’m including myself in this definition. 

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There’s no inactivity here though - I’m playing a game, but the borders of the screen remain static throughout.

 

edit: is this not also an issue in games with a HUD that doesn’t change?

 

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I'd still be a little bit cautious depending on how you use it. I got really bad burn in my 2017 model after news channels were left on too long. Every release cycle they get better and better but I don't think we are the point where you can blanket say "it's not a problem" in all cases. Under mixed usage you'll be completely fine and not even have to think about it. I've been using a C1 as a monitor since launch with no problems so far. If you intend to only play games with static borders like that all day every day and it has red in it then I'd make sure to cycle something else on it occasionally. If its just a random few hours mixed in with other things then again absolutely fine.

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4 hours ago, Camel said:

There’s no inactivity here though - I’m playing a game, but the borders of the screen remain static throughout.

 

edit: is this not also an issue in games with a HUD that doesn’t change?

 

 

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6 minutes ago, shirubagan said:


You need to slap* that out of him right now.
 

* I don’t have kids so this may be illegal or something

 

No court in the country would convict. 

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2 hours ago, Uzi said:

 


 

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It’s all a bit length of string. I can imagine playing Galaga, completely distracted by worrying about damaging my expensive TV :lol: 

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23 minutes ago, Camel said:


 

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It’s all a bit length of string. I can imagine playing Galaga, completely distracted by worrying about damaging my expensive TV :lol: 

Unless you played galaga (which would need to have static hud elements) for hours on end without a single break or variation on your TV displaying anything else on a regular basis day after day, I wouldn't worry about it.

 

I used a OLED as a PC monitor since 2020 now. Chrome browsers, windows icons tend to stay static but I don't usually keep the same exact screen up for hours on end without change so its never been an issue.

 

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Yeah it has a static border (see my screenshot above) but you’re right, it’s use is a fraction of what we use the TV for. Won’t stop me being anxious about it though :)

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9 minutes ago, Camel said:

Yeah it has a static border (see my screenshot above) but you’re right, it’s use is a fraction of what we use the TV for. Won’t stop me being anxious about it though :)

I didnt buy an oled for this exact reason.There have many times when I feel like that was justified. 250 hours of Elden Ring , 200 hours of snowrunner etc….

They also lose some brightness over time. 
The way I thought about it was ….in 7 years time when the tv is kinda old will I suddenly notice something I can’t stop noticing forcing me to upgrade but perhaps I’m not in a position to upgrade or just don’t want to.

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