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9 minutes ago, thesnwmn said:

 

Because the battery life and size makes it a much much much more portable device.

 

But yes, a bit too much money I think

That's my point. It looks great, but it's up against more capable devices at that price that can still stream games as well as run  stuff natively. Something like this would be amazing if it cost a lot less.

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Oof. Yeah, far too too expensive. I expect these will sell terribly and get discounted like crazy at some point, so it might be possible to pick up a bargain down the line.
 

Just need one with a 16:9 OLED display, all the controls, and enough power to play the streaming apps.

 

25 minutes ago, Mogster said:

That's my point. It looks great, but it's up against more capable devices at that price that can still stream games as well as run  stuff natively.

 

It would be able to run stuff natively though, right? And probably better than most if not all current Android-based handhelds.

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8 minutes ago, Paulando said:

 

It would be able to run stuff natively though, right? And probably better than most if not all current Android-based handhelds.

I hadn't really thought of it as an Android games machine, but yeah it could. It's still too expensive though.

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Open to correction but it seems like the AYN Odin is going to still be a small bit more powerful than what Logitech are offering so it really comes down to the quality of the frontend software. 

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4 hours ago, Mogster said:

That's too much. It does look like a decent product, especially if that 12 hour battery life proves correct, but if you're spending that sort of money why wouldn't you just get a Steam Deck or something?

 

I saw one in the flesh for the first time, thats a good enough reason to not want one - when the original DS looks like a more advanced and ergonomic prototype you know you’re in trouble…. Even the Lynx looks slender in proportion :o 

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7 hours ago, Hello Goaty ♥ said:

I had one of these   ( Archos game pad  )      all dead now 

 

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I had an Xperia Play phone when they got reduced to just over £100:

 

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Absolutely cracking device to play emulated stuff like NGPC, although it's extremely long in the tooth now.

 

To be fair, this Logitech thing will be a neat, comfortable device for Genshin and the like - even when you try it on a decent phone, it'll heat up enough to be uncomfortable to hold without a controller grip.

 

OTOH, a phone with that sort of spec (like the Poco X3) is £230-ish, and a Kishi is about £50 on a good day. The G Gaming handheld is just a hard sale all-round.

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On 21/09/2022 at 17:54, thesnwmn said:

 

Because the battery life and size makes it a much much much more portable device.

 

But yes, a bit too much money I think

 

It's also competing with all the Ambernic devices

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On 21/09/2022 at 19:19, bear said:

Open to correction but it seems like the AYN Odin is going to still be a small bit more powerful than what Logitech are offering so it really comes down to the quality of the frontend software. 

 

The AYN Odin uses the Snapdragon 845 SoC, so is significantly more powerful, but in the grand scheme of things, they are still barely giving Intel's useless iGPUs competition so *shrug*

 

The $350 price is a bit higher than what I was expecting, but this is the reality of pricing when you aren't selling people Trojan Horses designed to lock them into your exclusive theme park and you actually have to turn a reasonable profit on the hardware sales alone. The noname China brands don't have the sales reach of Logitech or their OS but dedicated streaming gaming devices being an actually large market seems a very questionable idea to think is ready for primetime anyway.

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On 22/09/2022 at 08:50, Siri said:

 

I had an Xperia Play phone when they got reduced to just over £100:

 

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Absolutely cracking device to play emulated stuff like NGPC, although it's extremely long in the tooth now.

 

To be fair, this Logitech thing will be a neat, comfortable device for Genshin and the like - even when you try it on a decent phone, it'll heat up enough to be uncomfortable to hold without a controller grip.

 

OTOH, a phone with that sort of spec (like the Poco X3) is £230-ish, and a Kishi is about £50 on a good day. The G Gaming handheld is just a hard sale all-round.

Genshin doesn't support controllers on Android for some reason. I'd be surprised if it changes for this.

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10 minutes ago, deerokus said:

Genshin doesn't support controllers on Android for some reason. I'd be surprised if it changes for this.

 

Well, I'm glad I didn't buy a Kishi just for that purpose a couple months back, then! How silly :facepalm:

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14 minutes ago, deerokus said:

Genshin doesn't support controllers on Android for some reason. I'd be surprised if it changes for this.

Most comparable devices like the Odin, Anbernics and GPD all have utilities to let you map virtual buttons to the physical controls. I'd be surprised if Logitech and Tencent didn't include something like that. 

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Well Razer unveiled the Razer Edge today during Razercon and on paper at least it seems a lot better than Logitechs offering. It's dearer, starting at $399 for the Wi-fi version, but it's got a lot better CPU and GPU combination, 128GB storage and 8GB RAM.

 

https://www.engadget.com/razer-edge-5g-gaming-handheld-android-verizon-qualcomm-180049076.html

 

That's obviously cheaper than I thought it'd be although it is still pricey. 

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  • Paulando changed the title to Cloud Gaming Handhelds (inc Logitech G, Razer Edge)

So the Razer Edge is a Kishi with a separate phone-like tablet thing you put in it, which is pretty gross really. It also has a 2400x1080 display, which means it’ll be super long/wide like using a phone, and I guess 16:9 stuff will have borders down the side, and 4:3 stuff (for emulation etc) will probably have half of the screen taken up with borders. That isn’t good for gaming, it’s just convenient for them because it’s an off the shelf OLED phone screen, I guess.

 

The specs are impressive (a bit over the top if anything), but it still feels pretty far from what I’d be looking for.

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Nice specs and surprisingly low priced for Razer, as competing gaming phones with older chips are about $550-$1300 without a controller. So it's essentially a gaming phone that you can't make calls with bundled with their new controller add-on. Calling it a tablet is a bit of a stretch, it's tiny!


I wonder if it has a fan or suffers from throttling like all the other high-end 6.8" gaming phones.

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12 hours ago, bear said:

Well Razer unveiled the Razer Edge today during Razercon and on paper at least it seems a lot better than Logitechs offering. It's dearer, starting at $399 for the Wi-fi version, but it's got a lot better CPU and GPU combination, 128GB storage and 8GB RAM.

 

https://www.engadget.com/razer-edge-5g-gaming-handheld-android-verizon-qualcomm-180049076.html

 

That's obviously cheaper than I thought it'd be although it is still pricey. 


Have they priced it that high to cover the cost of the inevitable litigation from Tim Langdell?

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Unless it's also going hard on support for the Play (or other Android) store isn't the extra umph and all that storage space a complete waste of money, weight, battery and heat?

 

It feels like a device that is struggling to stick to it's reason for existing. Like someone decided to make a streaming head unit but then got carried away about shit that doesn't matter. In the end it's basically a gimped phone or an expensive and over specced head unit.

 

Having used a Steam Deck with XCloud around the house I can absolutely see the use case for a streaming head unit. But it needs to be for that only really. It needs to be well made and ergonomically sound but it cannot be expensive. It's a controller and a screen.

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Is the Edge meant to be a streaming head unit or is it meant to be a showcase for Qualcomms gaming chipset? I think the latter is more likely here and that Razer haven't done much of the heavy lifting on the device itself.

 

It does feel like there needs to be an equivalent of Nvidias Lightspeed Studio bringing more traditional console games to Android if they want to showcase this device though. 

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People could just visit the official webpage, it's usually a pretty good indicator of how a company is positioning its product:


 

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The Razer Edge is custom-built to be the ultimate Android gaming handheld.


The exclusive Snapdragon G3x Gen 1 delivers unrivaled performance, the 144Hz AMOLED display offers incredible clarity at high speeds, and Kishi V2 Pro is a console-quality controller for compatible Android and Xbox games.

 

 

And they do even confirm it has a fan, let's see if it thermal throttles as it's still in a tiny thin case:

 

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The world’s first device* powered by the Snapdragon G3x Gen 1—an active-cooled gaming chipset with a 3 GHz Kryo CPU, purpose-built to play Android games at high framerates over long play sessions.

 

 

So for the price, a bargain, from Razer of all companies!!

 

Streaming is just a value-add, the real reason to buy one is to pwn n00bs online with your framerate and input advantage.

It also explains why the controller is separatable as not all Android games support them.

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The Phawx seems much less pleased with it than ETA Prime does, though other reviews do praise some aspects of it. So probably the right product at a price that people used to corporate-subsidised hardware angling to make money off you longterm in other ways find unpalatable.

 

 

 

 

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Another reviewer who specialises in looking at these predominately Chinese handheld devices points out the exact same problems as the above review, yet comes to a pretty different conclusion, one which seems the more prevalent one. Great for its intended advertised use case, just the price being the sticking point. It does seem to have a pretty nice screen, one which makes Valve look like they went for the cheapest they could get away with at their target price point, when significantly better LCD ones do exist.

 

 

 

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