Rock is shit - dance is king

[Rex Grossman]

I was just stating facts. I didn't realise anyone was arguing.

There was nothing to argue with. It was impossible.

[Uncle Mike]

like i said, good music is spiritual and transcends time and as for Rock being 30 years old, so is dance in that case. Soul, Disco etc - it's all the same.

And this is what I mean. Soul/Funk/Disco-era sounds massively different to today in the dance/electronic age. But it's the same branch.

Rock, however, has just recycled the same 5 bands over and over again.

[SomeNaiveChump]

And this is what I mean. Soul/Funk/Disco-era sounds massively different to today in the dance/electronic age. But it's the same branch.

Rock, however, has just recycled the same 5 bands over and over again.

yes, because as I said, RATM and Radiohead sound just like Sabbath and Zeppelin. right?

and by the way, Soul and Funk are still going and Dance is a whole separate thing altogether. the nearest mainstream band to any soul/funk stuff is RHCP - a 'rock' band.

[Liquid Myth]

...which is why genres are shit - they're utterly meaningless phrases once you get down to the level of talking about invidual bands/groups. The use of the phrase "grunge" to try to lump together Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden was one particularly bad example of an attempt at a "genre"

Hear hear.

"Dance" could be anything from Lemon Jelly to Paul Oakenfold.

"Rock" could be anything from Ash to Marilyn Manson.

"Hip hop" could be anything from The Beastie Boys to Lyrics Born (although it never stopped the monthly Hip-hop thread ).

[hub2]

RHCP?

[Rex Grossman]

(although it never stopped the monthly Hip-hop thread ).

Because they're the most popular threads on Rllmuk.

[Uncle Mike]

"Dance" could be anything from Lemon Jelly to Paul Oakenfold.

"Rock" could be anything from Ash to Marilyn Manson.

And here's the biggest point of all. The spread of things under the "Dance" umbrella is wider, incorporates more styles, and shows more variety than things under the "Rock" umbrella, which is smaller, and frayed round the edges from old age and a lack of care.

And hiphop's under the big umbrella. The closest rock gets to variety is when it nicks stuff from the Dance umbrella, like in the beautifully provided examples of Rage Against The Machine and Radiohead. Thanks, Undertaker.

And Soul/Funk/Disco are still going, you're right, Undertaker. But they're under the dance umbrella of styles, just like the chart trance/dance you're refering to when you say dance.

[Andy_Tanner]

Rock, however, has just recycled the same 5 bands over and over again.

no it hasn't.

[Uncle Mike]

no it hasn't.

Yes it has.

[Andy_Tanner]

Mike this is rubbish, just quit before you look even more silly.

[jeff mills gran]

And Soul/Funk/Disco are still going, you're right, Undertaker. But they're under the dance umbrella of styles,.

this is FACT, and i can prove it.

[Beertiger]

it's like trying to talk to a retarded monkey that's playing with itself.

[SomeNaiveChump]

the most prominent funk band atm is Red Hot Chili Peppers, and they're considered 'rock'.

unless Mike can say 'RATM sound like Led Zeppelin' then he has no point.

and if he does say that, he'll just have a ludicrous point.

[mr.miffed]

Punk band Chaos UK summed up dance music best when they sang the line "Dancing around like a happy spastic".

Moronic, repetitive, crap suitable only for pikeys and the terminally tone deaf.

It all sounds like clown music to me.

I draw a distinction between "Proper" techno/electronica and dance though so Aphex twin et al are safe. Dance in my genre definitions is sash, scooter, hard house, garage, trance and whatever other pointless rubbish they care to call it.

[Andy_Tanner]

i'm still waiting to hear why Mike thinks all music falls into two genres, and that the genres don't overlap. if i was being argumentative (perish the thought) i would argue that both Rock and Dance is exactly the same.

[girl]

electronica

*shudder*

Must. Not. Bite.

[Rex Grossman]

*shudder*

Must. Not. Bite.

Bite.

He'll like it.

[kev]

Dance in my genre definitions is sash, scooter, hard house, garage, trance and whatever other pointless rubbish they care to call it.

these genres are like any other. they have good examples and bad examples, and often what you hear on the radio are not the best ones. have you ever heard anything by, say, yahel or terra ferma?

[the_debaser]

Genres are shit.

TRUFAX.

the_debaser -> o/\o <- insin

[Kelthink]

There's one thing we can all agree on here:

Uncle Mike has no ears.

[Uncle Mike]

There's one thing we can all agree on here:

Uncle Mike has no ears.

Pardon?

ha ha.

[Ikaruga]

I've just started to get into prog trance and hardstyle. Only becuase of shoot-em-ups on the saturn. I don't know why, but listening to 90 minute Dj Scott Project set whilst playing Hyper Duel is fucking brilliant.

Normally, I listen to bands such as Glassjaw, From Autumn To Ashes, Coheed & Cambria amongst many others.

I don't just like a a set few genres, what's the point? I listen to different types of music, wether it's Jazz, Dark Trance, Post-Hardcore Metal, Emo - depending on what i'm doing/feeling at the time. Some people take labelling way too seriously, and are deeply adament that only ONE type of music is the best.

Which, in itself - is a load of toss.

Now, let me get back to Do Don Pachi.

[Fry Crayola]

Pffft. I just want to hear well crafted music that I can enjoy listening to. Dancing is old hat, and I've never seen anyone actually do it.

Note to all: jumping around a dance floor to those darn funky beats is not dancing. Ever ever ever.

Now, my taste for good music mainly sticks with Rock and Indie stuff, with bands like Muse and Radiohead taking up a good deal of my collection, but there is a place for Massive Attack, for Leftfield, for Prodigy, because of the variety in the tunes, and the fact that they are bloody great.

Leftism in particular. Now there's an album.

Commercial dance music, the kind found frequenting the airwaves I no longer care about, the shite discos I no longer frequent and the musical haven of the Nova-driving crowd.... that's not music. Just be sure to dispel this from your mind when arguing the point, people...

[Andy_Tanner]

"Rock" musicians were experimenting with dance rhythms and electronic instruments well before "Dance" as it is being referred to here came along.

[mr.miffed]

Bite.

He'll like it.

mmmmmm, yes please!

[mr.miffed]

these genres are like any other. they have good examples and bad examples, and often what you hear on the radio are not the best ones. have you ever heard anything by, say, yahel or terra ferma?

Too be fair no I hav'nt and I see what your saying, I hav'nt heard any rock on the radio that I would reccomend anybody listen to in ages.

[SimonC]

......I listen to different types of music, wether it's Jazz, Dark Trance, Post-Hardcore Metal, Emo - depending on what i'm doing/feeling at the time. Some people take labelling way too seriously.....

Post-Hardcore Metal? Emo? Dark Trance?

I think you can count yourself amongst the people who take labelling too seriously.

[Rex Grossman]

Post-Hardcore Metal? Emo? Dark Trance?

I think you can count yourself amongst the people who take labelling too seriously.

I wish he'd mentioned intelligent drum'n'bass.

[Calashnikov]

What about Death Rap?

[Sir DangerM]

What about Death Rap?