Lost - The Full Series Thread

[LowCostMonkey]

The former, I think.

I'm pretty sure it's the latter tbh. Not massively important as we'll know for sure next episode (well, next time we see Desmond anyway).

Speaking of memory problems. I couldn't remember where Hanso fits into the whole Lost universe so I googled it and found this youtube video. I can't work out if it's real viral thing from the creators of Lost or a very well done amatuer thing. Probably the former. Now, before you go clicking, I would warn that it may contain spoilers, sort of. I will also point out that it was posted in september 2006 and has had nearly 1 million views, so you've all probably seen it anyway. Infact, it's probably already been posted in this very thread come to think of it. Oh, worth watching again.

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[JohnC]

Didn't he say him and the guy who was already dead took a boat out toward it?

I must have missed that amidst all the other awesomeness. Or, to commandeer that Captain Kirk picture, I didn't hear it over the sound of how awesome it was.

[Mercury]

Didn't he say him and the guy who was already dead took a boat out toward it?

He did indeed.

[Chaz]

I'm just wondering how they're gonna top that now. Lost Season 3 was mainly shite, but this season has just put it right back on form.

There hasn't been a bad Desmond episode ever yet, either. Definitely my favourite episodes of any character.

[CactuarBill]

I'm just wondering how they're gonna top that now. Lost Season 3 was mainly shite, but this season has just put it right back on form.

There hasn't been a bad Desmond episode ever yet, either. Definitely my favourite episodes of any character.

It is going to be hard to try and keep the quality going. It will be interesting what they do with the other five episodes we're getting. Though season 3 wasn't shite, the second half of that season was amazing.

[Ste_S]

Further to that, the way things are going, I've recently been wondering if the public at large will have some trouble comprehending the eventual explanation if it is something fairly complex. I love that kind of thing, but many do find some of that kind of stuff hard to grasp. If the eventual explanation does turn out to be something many find a bit beyond them, will there be a backlash?

cf Twin Peaks and Bob

[CactuarBill]

Rousseau's crews 'sickness' = going mental because of the timejumps?.

Right?

I would say that's a safe assumption. Seems very logical and what most people are saying anyway.

[Daley]

A couple of interesting things after watching it again (as I have done with every episode this series):

Not a big deal but just a small "easter egg" I think. The frequency or whatever that Faraday told Desmond, 2.342, was the same as the lot number for the Black Rock's Journal, 2342, which is also the

last four digits of the lottery numbers/hatch numbers, 4 8 15 16 23 42

. I think so anyway. I did a quick Google but got scared of spoilers and stopped.

One more thing. Desmond called Penny from the phone box and spoke to her. Then called again from Faraday's Oxford office and it was cut off. Then when he saw her she said she had moved and had a new number. She did this in one day? I know I shouldn't be too picky about an episode that has a time travelling rat in it but it just confused me.

Apologies if i'm being thick. The more I watch it the more questions crop up. I love it though...brother.

[Goose]

I think my biggest fear is that they'll try and outdo that episode and have something really outrageous just to make us go WTF! but ultimately it'll seem more fake than anything else.

[mop]

How did the guy on the ship come to experience the effects? Does it mean he has been to the island recently too?

From what I gathered you don't have to have been on the island, just have been exposed to large amount of electromagnetic radiation and then there's like an area around the island that can trigger it - that's why it happen to Desmond as he left the island. Maybe Minkowski had tried to get to the island with a team - hit that wired area triggering the time lapse and then had to turned back because of the weather or whatever. I don't know.

Maybe the reason Desmond had the time leaps on the island was because he was close to this area but hadn't gone through it - that's why they weren't as intense as this episodes.

Blind guess work really.

[DarhkFox]

surely the illness (that people from the blackrock had) is the same thing that desmond/that other guy from the boat had? and like, they all died. Well besides the french chick. Like they somehow got radiation and went through the "passage" which triggered it.

[Mercury]

surely the illness (that people from the blackrock had) is the same thing that desmond/that other guy from the boat had? and like, they all died. Well besides the french chick. Like they somehow got radiation and went through the "passage" which triggered it.

So what is Rousseau's constant?

One more thing. Desmond called Penny from the phone box and spoke to her. Then called again from Faraday's Oxford office and it was cut off. Then when he saw her she said she had moved and had a new number. She did this in one day? I know I shouldn't be too picky about an episode that has a time travelling rat in it but it just confused me.

Apologies if i'm being thick. The more I watch it the more questions crop up. I love it though...brother.

Not to mention that London telephone numbers changed between 1996 and 2004 but that really is nit-picking.

[mop]

surely the illness (that people from the blackrock had) is the same thing that desmond/that other guy from the boat had? and like, they all died. Well besides the french chick. Like they somehow got radiation and went through the "passage" which triggered it.

I'd agree with you there. The crew must had a dose of EM before getting on the island and hence went crazy and died. Crazy French bitch must have been clean before getting onto the island.

[Daley]

So what is Rousseau's constant?

Not to mention that London telephone numbers changed between 1996 and 2004 but that really is nit-picking.

Yes I know, wasn't that fussed like I said it just hit me when I watched it again yesterday. I think sometimes with shows like this you just have to let go of cold, hard reality just a little bit.

[LowCostMonkey]

surely the illness (that people from the blackrock had) is the same thing that desmond/that other guy from the boat had? and like, they all died. Well besides the french chick. Like they somehow got radiation and went through the "passage" which triggered it.

Do we know that the crew of the Black Rock went mad? I didn't think we knew anything about them. Just that it was an old trading ship called the Black Rock and it somehow got stuck in the middle of the Island. Now we know that Hanso had the log book and only he had ever read until (until Jim Robinson bought it in 1996).

We know the crew of the ship that Rousso came in on went bonkers (well, based on what she told Sayid)

[squirtle]

How did Rousseau's crew get this illness? They were shipwrecked on the island and were there for two months. She says that they were infected by the Others on the way back from the Black Rock. There's no mention of an electro magnetic surge or radiation or anything like that. All she says is "What would have happened if they were rescued?" There seems to be no correlation between Desmond's illness and what happened to Rousseau's crew...

Unless...

They were affected by the Dharma Initiative incident... Do we know what that was yet?

[mop]

They could have a got the dose of EM before getting to the island.

But if they were there for two months without any problems showing it seems a tad different to what happened to Des and Minkowski.

[Rayn]

Fridays seem so far apart now that Lost is on again....can't wait!

[toonfool]

A couple of interesting things after watching it again (as I have done with every episode this series):

Not a big deal but just a small "easter egg" I think. The frequency or whatever that Faraday told Desmond, 2.342, was the same as the lot number for the Black Rock's Journal, 2342, which is also the

last four digits of the lottery numbers/hatch numbers, 4 8 15 16 23 42

. I think so anyway. I did a quick Google but got scared of spoilers and stopped.

Nice. I like it.

One more thing. Desmond called Penny from the phone box and spoke to her. Then called again from Faraday's Oxford office and it was cut off. Then when he saw her she said she had moved and had a new number. She did this in one day? I know I shouldn't be too picky about an episode that has a time travelling rat in it but it just confused me.

That was so blatant that it couldn't have been a mistake. To tell someone that the number they've rang you on doesn't work any more? The writers and production crew would have to be completely doolally to let that oone slip past. He must have rang her at work, or whatever passes for a daytime number when you're Jim Robinson's daughter these days, in 1996.

So what is Rousseau's constant?

My guess is that she was unaffected due to being in a safe place at the time everyone was magnetised, or whatever happens to people. Same as others have already said. Would be more exciting if she did have a constant, though.

Not to mention that London telephone numbers changed between 1996 and 2004 but that really is nit-picking.

Did the numbers change, or just the area codes? He only gave Sayid the seven digit number, and told him it was London.

[Daley]

That was so blatant that it couldn't have been a mistake. To tell someone that the number they've rang you on doesn't work any more? The writers and production crew would have to be completely doolally to let that oone slip past. He must have rang her at work, or whatever passes for a daytime number when you're Jim Robinson's daughter these days, in 1996.

Yea I imagined it would be something like that and as I say, when you have time travelling rats and whatever else going on arguing about phone numbers seems a bit picky.

Although...

Did the numbers change, or just the area codes? He only gave Sayid the seven digit number, and told him it was London.

This says inner London changed from (0171) xxx xxxx to (020) 7xxx xxxx so she would have said (0171) 123 4567, not 7123 4567 for example.

I think we may be thinking about this too much.

[Mercury]

Did the numbers change, or just the area codes? He only gave Sayid the seven digit number, and told him it was London.

They went from seven to six numbers I think. I am pretty sure Sayid had dialled the number before Desmond told him it was for London too but as someone said earlier, you really shouldn't worry about these kind of things in an episode with time travelling rats.

[locke_211]

So if we're going with the theory that the flashbacks are actually the islanders going back to an early point in their conciousness without being aware of it, why do some people like Des become aware of this? And do you think maybe the things that appear on the island, like Jack's dad, Eko's brother etc (possibly formed by the smoke monster as the final Eko episode suggests) are the island 'giving' people constants to keep them from dying? And if it realises you're not worthy of this help it just quickly kills you. And if you really know the island, you can manipulate the thing it uses to produce constants in order to produce anything (the 'box' Ben told Locke about).

[mop]

I really don't think the flashbacks people have are them going back in time without knowing. It looked like whenever Des or Minkowski had a lapse and went back that they just zoned out for a copule of minutes and this hasn't happen with any other of the folks from 815.

[Clap Your Hands]

she said that they were on a scientific mission so the exposure to radiation or electromagneticism works out. Plus shes probably not telling the whole truth.

How awesome will a Rousseau flashback be?

[locke_211]

I really don't think the flashbacks people have are them going back in time without knowing. It looked like whenever Des or Minkowski had a lapse and went back that they just zoned out for a copule of minutes and this hasn't happen with any other of the folks from 815.

That's true. I know it's a long shot, but I'd really love my idea to be true, as I'm a pretentious Lit student and then the form of the show would correlate perfectly with its main themes

[LowCostMonkey]

So if we're going with the theory that the flashbacks are actually the islanders going back to an early point in their conciousness without being aware of it, why do some people like Des become aware of this? And do you think maybe the things that appear on the island, like Jack's dad, Eko's brother etc (possibly formed by the smoke monster as the final Eko episode suggests) are the island 'giving' people constants to keep them from dying? And if it realises you're not worthy of this help it just quickly kills you. And if you really know the island, you can manipulate the thing it uses to produce constants in order to produce anything (the 'box' Ben told Locke about).

Yeah I don't really think it is the characters going back in time. I think it is just the viewers getting to find out information about the characters.

[Teeohbee.]

Was Rousseau already pregnant on the boat before the island?

That might explain why she avoided radioactive/electromagnetic experiments that the other crew members would have participated in.

[mdn2]

Yes, she was.

[mercenarri]

Didn't Faraday say the constant has to be something/someone you really, really care about?

Does Faraday care about Desmond that much? Doesn't Rousseau hate Ben? etc, etc.

[makkuwata]

Desmond walked up to Faraday one morning out of nowhere as living proof that time travel is possible, and his theories are true. Not hard to argue that he could be his 'constant'.