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I thought she said "What boat?" Anyway, she certainly knows about it now. She would have seen it on telly.

She does actually say that, yeah, but all Charlie says is, "Are you on the boat?" She then says, "What boat?" In the way the dialogue is going, having just found out that Desmond is there, it's conceivable that Penny isn't thinking straight and doesn't get what Charlie means.

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Little thing I noticed that bothered me - when Miles, Sayid and Kate were traveling to the barracks to see Locke, Miles says he pretty much had no interest in Naomi. Doesn't this conflict with the way he was adamant to see Naomi, screaming at Kate, when he held a gun at Jack? And shouldn't have Kate noted this?

Anyway, I dunno if this has already been said, but rewatching the episodes I've had a little theory. The Island is like a snow globe, but one that is inside a dome of electromagnetism, something to do with switched polars, negated north and south poles, or something. The electromagnetism that surrounds the Island causes the light that "doesn't quite scatter right" to bend around the Island, causing it to be invisible to those outside of the Island.

Thing is, something else is up with the Island that I can't but describe, and it's to do with perception of time and the degree in which you enter/exit the Island. I reckon the electromagnetic snow globe has a doorway of a degree that allows a safe passage through, and this is the 325 degree angle that Ben advised Michael to follow at the end of season two. 325 degrees is like the balance of time, if you will. You exit or enter on 325 and there's no change in time between the Island and the rest of the world.

However, the further you are from the 325 degree doorway, the heavier the impact it has on time; and being influenced by heavy doses of radiation or electromagnetism furthers the impact it has on you, i.e. the difference it had between Sayid and Desmond. The helicopter exited the Island on a 305 bearing, 20 degrees off the recommendation from Ben, so they arrived at the Freighter in the middle of the day when Sayid swore it was supposed to be Dusk - it would've been if they exited at 325, and it might have been a week later/before if they exited at something like 60 degrees. Or perhaps years, eight years before, if they had exited on a 1-2 degree bearing. Perhaps exiting 20 degrees off the 325 bearing, as well as being heavily influenced by radiation or whatnot, is what caused Desmond's conscience to jump back 8 years? What would have happened to Desmond if they'd exited at a 1 or 2 degree bearing as opposed to the 325; would Desmond have jumped back to a time where people worshiped God's with 4 toes?

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Did they ever explain the statue of the foot with four toes?

One of the recaps basically said that the island has been host to many visitors over time. It could be the remains of an old civilisation. As for the number of toes, I don't know. Did humans use to have four toes? The (apparent) lack of any other old artefacts on the island is also a puzzler.

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No, they havent even gone back to see it.

I know there are two seasons left after this one but they sure do have a hell of a lot of things to explain. And they'd better explain EVERYTHING.

Aren't there 3 seasons after this one? I thought I read some where they were making 7 in total.

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Re: Desmond entering/leaving on 1 or 2 degrees - I don't think he (well his conscious) would have been able to travel back before the time he existed. Remember, the Desmond Soldier guy was notably younger looking so it wouldn't be like he'd be Desmond in 1920 - he didn't exist in 1920 so his conscious wouldn't have been able to comprehend or project him back there.

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Little thing I noticed that bothered me - when Miles, Sayid and Kate were traveling to the barracks to see Locke, Miles says he pretty much had no interest in Naomi. Doesn't this conflict with the way he was adamant to see Naomi, screaming at Kate, when he held a gun at Jack? And shouldn't have Kate noted this?

Anyway, I dunno if this has already been said, but rewatching the episodes I've had a little theory. The Island is like a snow globe, but one that is inside a dome of electromagnetism, something to do with switched polars, negated north and south poles, or something. The electromagnetism that surrounds the Island causes the light that "doesn't quite scatter right" to bend around the Island, causing it to be invisible to those outside of the Island.

Thing is, something else is up with the Island that I can't but describe, and it's to do with perception of time and the degree in which you enter/exit the Island. I reckon the electromagnetic snow globe has a doorway of a degree that allows a safe passage through, and this is the 325 degree angle that Ben advised Michael to follow at the end of season two. 325 degrees is like the balance of time, if you will. You exit or enter on 325 and there's no change in time between the Island and the rest of the world.

However, the further you are from the 325 degree doorway, the heavier the impact it has on time; and being influenced by heavy doses of radiation or electromagnetism furthers the impact it has on you, i.e. the difference it had between Sayid and Desmond. The helicopter exited the Island on a 305 bearing, 20 degrees off the recommendation from Ben, so they arrived at the Freighter in the middle of the day when Sayid swore it was supposed to be Dusk - it would've been if they exited at 325, and it might have been a week later/before if they exited at something like 60 degrees. Or perhaps years, eight years before, if they had exited on a 1-2 degree bearing. Perhaps exiting 20 degrees off the 325 bearing, as well as being heavily influenced by radiation or whatnot, is what caused Desmond's conscience to jump back 8 years? What would have happened to Desmond if they'd exited at a 1 or 2 degree bearing as opposed to the 325; would Desmond have jumped back to a time where people worshiped God's with 4 toes?

Nice... except we know this isn't the case because we've already seen two attempts to sail away from the island in random directions with both attempts just ending up back at the island, not going mental with time travel. Desmond up and left on the yacht, sailing away only to end up back on the island, and I think the raft did a similar thing?

With Ben and Michael it seemed like Ben was suggesting it was the only way to get away from island, rather than any thing else.

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Where does that come from? Is it a cut from an earlier episode?

They did a bunch of webisodes in the run up to season 4. Most of them were filler, nothing particularly interesting. This was the last one they showed before season 4 started. You can see most of them on youtube I think. I only found out about them when browsing lostpedia.

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Do apes have 4 toes?

They do have a thumb-like toe unconnected to their four finger-like toes, but we didn't evolve from apes anyway; apes and humans evolved from a common ape-like ancestor (who may or may not have had four toes). This is clearly a bollocks explanation, though. :lol:

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Maybe it'd be like quantum leap and he'd jump into the body of some victorian rapscallion?

Even in Quantum Leap, Sam could only leap into the lives of people within his own timeline (ie from his date of birth his 'present').

Although in one episode near the end he leaped into the body of an officer in the American Civil War called Samuel Beckett. Can't remember if it was his Grandad or something though.

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Although in one episode near the end he leaped into the body of an officer in the American Civil War called Samuel Beckett. Can't remember if it was his Grandad or something though.

Yeah, it was.

I'm a little bit saddened that Lost has been quite so explicit with what's going on. It went from "mysterious" to "star trek voyager" in the space of one episode. Still, I enjoyed it, and there's lots more to be revealed yet.

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I actually dreamt some solutions to lost last night! :P

This is what I woke up with in my head, this might ramble its the first time I have tried to explain it since I woke up.

Miles, is not a "ghostbuster", he is a time traveler. that hoover thing was just a ruse in case the women walked in. Perhaps his two consciousness are living in tandem with one another, able to switch around at will without the confusion that Desmond etc experience. He went back to a time when the boy was alive, and persuaded him to tell him where he had hid the money. It seems that he gave him something good in exchange as after he left the room the pictures on the wall seemed to indicate that he had lead a better life since Miles visit.

Other stuff was that I think Dharma doing the experiments on time travel on the island have given the island its properties as a side effect. I think the smoke monster may have been brought there accidentally from another parallel universe.

the whispers are people whos conscious did not return to their bodies and are now in limbo on the island and can be occasionally heard, perhaps in times of stress when peoples senses are heightened.

Damn, there was more. It might come back to me.

Think I might of taken too much night nurse last night before bed! :wub:

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Nice... except we know this isn't the case because we've already seen two attempts to sail away from the island in random directions with both attempts just ending up back at the island, not going mental with time travel. Desmond up and left on the yacht, sailing away only to end up back on the island, and I think the raft did a similar thing?

With Ben and Michael it seemed like Ben was suggesting it was the only way to get away from island, rather than any thing else.

The raft was blown up by the Others at the end of Season 1 after they took Walt.

As an aside though, the bearing of 305 is the bearing that Locke, Kate, Sayeed and Rousseau take when they set off to rescue Jack in Season 3. Locke gets the heading off Mr Ecko's stick after Mr Ecko has been killed by the black smoke.

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Erm, does anyone know a way to get this to automatically download in utorrent through RSS feeds or somesuch wizardry? I won't be up early enough tomorrow to download the new episode and watch it before going to college, so I'd like to leave my PC and utorrent running and have it downloaded when I wake up.

Any way to do this? All help appreciated :).

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The raft was blown up by the Others at the end of Season 1 after they took Walt.

Sure, but wasn't there something about them sailing for ages and not getting anywhere? They were gone for ages but were still within easy floating distance of the island when they all went overboard.

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Brilliant Desmond episode.

One thing occured to me -- the symptoms of someone jumping between bodies and going through the electrical fence are identical (nosebleed and collapse). I can't remember but did Mikhail say the fence was sonic or radioactive?

Still blown away by the episode -- it's one of the best which means that the next one will probably be disappointing by comparison.

I seriously don't know what to think about this show anymore. My theories are never correct, so I'm just gonna sit back, take an aspirin and enjoy the ride.

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