Lost - The Full Series Thread

[dr_lha]

How many episodes are left again?!

14, i.e. plenty.

[makkuwata]

One thing though,

if this whole thing finishes with a "it's all a loop" cop-out, and Sawyer becomes the new Smokey and Jack becomes the new Jacob, I'll be pissed.

Sawyer is my favourite character on the show. But I don't like his chances for surviving that far...

[dr_lha]

I think people are just used to Season 5 pace, which was very fast. I just genuinely don't know how an episode with a huge mythological reveal, signalling where Sun and Lapidus and crew are going, and revealing a tad more about MiB can be described as filler, or even slow. On top of that, we got a nice Locke story, with some great character interactions and acting, which may well lead to having massive significance later on

There's depth to the side-flashes as well. For example, Locke was still with the women who he had previously estranged due to his obsession with his Dad. Plus apparently his Dad is someone who would get invited to his wedding, which brings up the question how did Locke end up in the wheel chair. Also there's a theme running with Locke in the side flashes where everyone from the island is being nice to him: Jack offering a free consult, Hurley and Rose hooking him up with a new job.

[Rudi von Starnberg]

I'm pretty confident that little kid is Jacob, but not sure why he's there.

I got this feeling too.

Something about the clothes and haircut.

[Goose]

I think thoughts on whether an episode was good or bad don't really need spoilering. Revealing if an episode is good is not the same as saying "X did this to Y!" Plus, opinions on episode are going to differ from person to person (witness opinion on last week and this weeks episodes), where as "X did this to Y!" is pretty much set in stone as to what happened in the episode.

But if people are unhappy about episode comments then spoiler them. Takes 2 seconds and better to do that than turn the thread into what constitutes a spoiler and what doesn't instead of talking about what happened in the show.

One quick point that got me thinking

Got to make dinner but something that felt inconsistent (not that I have given it much thought yet) - in the alternate timeline lock is still in a wheel chair (though seems to have found a real peace - could that relate to his peace in death in the normal timeline?) - but when Helen talks about the wedding she mentions eloping with Locke, her parents and his father - but by this point haven't we kind of established that it was Locke's father who pushed him out the window thus disabling him in the first place? My apologies if I've forgotten something amazingly obvious here!

I got this feeling too.

Something about the clothes and haircut.

Did anyone notice that in the first instance, when only Locke saw him, that the kid had bloodied arms?

[dr_lha]

Got to make dinner but something that felt inconsistent (not that I have given it much thought yet) - in the alternate timeline lock is still in a wheel chair (though seems to have found a real peace - could that relate to his peace in death in the normal timeline?) - but when Helen talks about the wedding she mentions eloping with Locke, her parents and his father - but by this point haven't we kind of established that it was Locke's father who pushed him out the window thus disabling him in the first place? My apologies if I've forgotten something amazingly obvious here!

You haven't forgotten anything! I think this shows us that the past is very different in these side-flashes. However Locke was probably "destined" to end up in a wheel chair, so maybe just got there a different way. The fact that Katy Seagal's character was still with Locke shows that Locke's previous flash back interactions with his dad clearly went down differently.

[Nespresso]

So we have to spoiler good or bad reactions to each episode now?

That was a class episode, one of my favourites of all seasons. Whoever is calling it a filler episode should probably stop watching and give it a marathon watch when it all finishes. It more of a stepping stone from lack of answers to a sudden setup for the remainder and finale of the season.

I'm pretty confident that little kid is Jacob, but not sure why he's there. Smokey is pretty convincing, at times I felt sorry for him, and left me wondering who really is the bad guy in all this. Richard being genuinely terrified of Smokey needs to be explained in a Richard centric episode.

It feels like we have enough episodes remaining to finish off the one overlying story arc; the motives of Jacob/Smokey, and why they need the Losties on their side.

Yeah that kid does look at lot like Jacob so I would guess it's him. Something else I don't get: when Sayid came back from the dead everyone said that it could or is Jacob but! Flocke doesn't inhabit Locke's actual body though. He duplicated it. Any ideas on this?

[CGMF]

Odd stuff. I liked it.

Can't remember a show that fluctuates quality-wise so maddeningly week to week the way Lost does.

The Smokey POV and reflection of him looking through window made me laugh for some reason. And did anyone notice the lady asking Locke what animal he'd be was the pyschic hired by Hugo's dad to pretend to break the curse back in season 3? Anyway, rubbish minor observation time done.

[Straps]

Well I'll be darned if we didn't get one of the most important questions (largely) answered. I mean, it was hinted at very strongly in the season five finale, but it's nice to hear from Jacob's nemesis that everything leading up to where we are now has been because of Jacob. Well, the nemesis got involved for his own gain, but still.

What I don't undertsand, though, is that someone said a while back that Jack wasn't on the list, yet there he was on the cave wall. Was that referring to something else?

[makkuwata]

Well I'll be darned if we didn't get one of the most important questions (largely) answered. I mean, it was hinted at very strongly in the season five finale, but it's nice to hear from Jacob's nemesis that everything leading up to where we are now has been because of Jacob. Well, the nemesis got involved for his own gain, but still.

What I don't undertsand, though, is that someone said a while back that Jack wasn't on the list, yet there he was on the cave wall. Was that referring to something else?

I'm not putting this forward as a theory, as I hope Jack is still integral to things. But it said Shepard. Not Jack.

Dundundun

[Straps]

WOAH

[CGMF]

Illana scooping up Jacob's ashes seems important. But how can it be connected to the ashes used to block out Smokey. Especially as Jacob's just died and there was tons of it around the cabin...?

[Janson]

Maybe all that ash is from the many times that Jacob has died..it's all one big loop!

[Venice Cull]

Good stuff.

Question though...

Someone mentioned we'd got an explanation as to how the numbers related to the characters - I must have missed that. How were they related?

[Goose]

I'm not putting this forward as a theory, as I hope Jack is still integral to things. But it said Shepard. Not Jack.

Dundundun

HOLY FUCK!

Something else - Those numbers existed long before the plane crashed so how could they be associated with those six? The numbers existed long before people started to get checked off that list of names on the ceiling - so how did they end up with six numbers that just happen to represent six of the people still alive?

I mean, say Boone was no.28, he only died fifty or sixty days ago on the island, yet those final six numbers have existed for years.

Unless all of this has happened before and we're looking a ceiling that has had many names crossed off many iterations of this timeline, until we get to a final six?

I have no idea what I'm saying.

[David78]

Good stuff.

Question though...

Someone mentioned we'd got an explanation as to how the numbers related to the characters - I must have missed that. How were they related?

All I meant with that was each character was assigned a number, and presumbly these last 6 are most important. I have no idea how it will link to other stuff.

[makkuwata]

All I meant with that was each character was assigned a number, and presumbly these last 6 are most important. I have no idea how it will link to other stuff.

After 8pm. This episode was awesome (SPOILARZ)

But yeah. I don't expect them to come up with any sort of plausible scientific explanation as to why those numbers are significant. But if Jacob had foreseen their arrival, and allocated "the" numbers to each of them (other than that odious bitch Kate) then that'll do for me!

[CGMF]

Some crossed-off names noticed:

313 Littleton (Claire)

164: Lewis (Charlotte)

236: Carlisle (Boone)

One more thing. Young jacob or whoever that small boy was was wearing the exact same type of tunic richard wore when he first met Ben in the jungle in s3.

EDIT:

Full list found at DarkUFO

4 - Locke (John)

8 - Reyes (Hurley)

10 - Mattingley - Other

15 - Ford (James)

16 - Jarrah (Sayid)

23 - Shephard (Jack)

31 - Rutherford (Shannon)

42 - Kwon (Jin or Sun)

56 - Burke - (Juliet)

70 - Faraday (Daniel)

73 - Costa - ?

90 - Troupe - ?

115 - Bargas - ?

117 - Linus (Ben, Roger)

119 - Almeida - ?

142 - Lewis (Charlotte)

171 - Straume (Miles)

195 - Pace (Charlie)

222 - O'Toole - U.S. Military

233 - Jones - U.S. Military

291 - Domingo - U.S. Military

313 - Littleton (Claire or Aaron)

317 - Cunningham - U.S. Military

337 - Martin (Karl) - Other

346 - Grant - U.S. Military

[David78]

I read a theory that perhaps Edward Mars was a candidate, and that Kate was simply used as a vehicle to get him to the island, hence why she was not on the wall.

[Capwn]

Filler!!

Why do some people expect action packed episodes? Isn't Lost all about mysteries and character development? and boy did this episode have it in spades.

Quote of the episode "This is the weirdest damn funeral I've ever been to..."

[whizzo]

How can the episode that we discover the meaning of the numbers possibly be filler???

[hoot]

I can't remember who said it, but someone mentioned Smokey was now limited to using Locke's body, so where does that leave Sayid? The bit where Ben confessed to murdering Locke was a great scene, in fact it was all good, I am gagging for the Alpert episode now.

[CGMF]

That Illana bitch can't act.

[Luke]

I'm not sure about the boy being Jacob, didn't he say "you're not allowed to kill him", if so, he'd be referring to himself in the third person, which he'd only do for reasons of misdirection by the writers, which would be annoying.

Interesting the, very casual and not explained in any way, statement that Smokey can't change form now.

Also, I think John must have been injured another way, admittedly we don't know what happened to Jacob in the alternate timeline, but my assumption would be he must have sunk with the island, and therefore wouldn't have been there to touch, and save, Locke after the fall.

[Nespresso]

How can the episode that we discover the meaning of the numbers possibly be filler???

I must be a retard but what is the meaning of the numbers again? All I saw were a bunch of numbers next to the losties' names. IDGI!!11

Oh and "Something else I don't get: when Sayid came back from the dead everyone said that it could or is Jacob but! Flocke doesn't inhabit Locke's actual body though. He duplicated it. Any ideas on this?"

[Anne Summers]

I must be a retard but what is the meaning of the numbers again? All I saw were a bunch of numbers next to the losties' names. IDGI!!11

Oh and "Something else I don't get: when Sayid came back from the dead everyone said that it could or is Jacob but! Flocke doesn't inhabit Locke's actual body though. He duplicated it. Any ideas on this?"

We didn't get an explanation of the numbers, I'm not really sure why people said we did -

All we learned was that the numbers Jacob had assigned to the survivors on his list, corresponded with "The Numbers". We have no idea why he gave them those numbers, or whether it was just a random coincidence.

We did learn a fair bit about other stuff though, I think - stuff like, Smokey definitely seems to want to leave the island. Richard seems to have been just as much kept in the dark by Jacob as the rest of the others, Some things are going on which are beyond even Smokey's understanding, etc. That last one in particular was a bit of a headfuck.

[Guest]

Shit episode. It was just Sawyer and Locke walking through a jungle.

[murray]

Amazing episode. It was just Sawyer and Locke walking through a jungle.

But really, I absolutely loved it.

But when Locke got to the cliff edge did anyone else think they might go to the sunken island? I did. Although I realise that's in a different timeline I hoped something to do with the sunken island might happen around there.

[joeplus]

That was excellent. I'm glad they're showing us bits of this God Chess everyone was talking about, like the stones, and the scorebook, and tactics (good opening play by Jacob but he's thrown it away in the endgame there. OR HAS HE, etc etc). I enjoyed "there's nothing to protect the Island from, that's the joke", like how the King never dies in chess, it's just played to checkmate and you start again. I'd love it if by the final scene it was just Smokey Locke and whoever's Jacob's final "candidate", sat in the cave, and one of them just says "that's 3-2 then. Rematch?".

Also, "you can't kill him, remember the rules", I thought was about Sawyer. Jacob and Smokey can use their power to bring people to the island, but then it's hands-off and whoever's pieces are alive wins. Which would make sense if Smokey hadn't killed a fuckload of people, so I don't know.

[qloudZ]

I wonder if the blonde kid is Aaron?