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That's something I've thought since the last episode of series 5. Jacob didn't put up any kind of resistance to Ben 'killing' him, and the speech he gave about his tapestry, all the threads having to be pulled into exactly the right place, seemed to be a clear metaphor for him nudging the lives of the Losties in just the right way for that very scene under the statue's foot to take place.

Jacob wanted to be 'killed' at that point for his plan to work. What exactly is his plan? We've got the rest of this series to find out...

We've seen Jacob off the island, whereas the MiB has spoken of being trapped (assuming he meant trapped on the island) so perhaps keeping the MiB on the island is some sort of ace card. Jacob can go and manipulate people to get to the island and it's only once they are there that the MiB has any chance to 'play'. Now though the MiB has found a loophole (referenced when Flocke initiated Jacob's death) and through Sawyer, or whoever, he can break out of the trap and scupper Jacob's plan to gain an advantage of his own.

Maybe the young kid is a 'reset' Jacob who now has to build up his stack of chips in order to regain an advantage? God knows how something like that would tie into anything else though.

I quite like this theory. Shannon wasn't on the 'parallel' plane, and I think she was one of the names. Not sure how much that means.

I do like the idea though that maybe the island being under water was something to do with MiB and/or Sawyer and/or someone else, saying fuck this stupid game, and going back in time to sink it.

It's a little unclear when it sunk though, but it must have been before flight 815 went over, and after Dharma had built their village.

I agree that Jacob quite possibly isn't good, aside from the fact he's clearly a creepy fuck, when Jacob and MiB were first introduced to us, my sympathies were with MiB.

It might be like the battle between Ben and Widmore though, in the end neither of them is what you'd call good.

People keep airing questions about how much Ben and Widmore really knew, but there's also the third ex-leader to consider; how much did Eloise really know, and when is her comment "the island's not done with you yet" to Desmond going to play out?

It would be cool if it sinking is a cosmic chess move; maybe it's check for one side, with the other really having to pull out something special to wriggle free?

I wonder if Widmore will pop up again? Desmond and Farraday should at some point too. It's crazy how many interesting plot lines could be reactivated; seeing how the team behind the show make everything work would be just as fascinating as the show itself.

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Why did Locke punch Richard in the throat and tie him up in the jungle again?

Not yet explained as far as I could see. Given he asked Richard to join him it almost seemed like it was for show in front of the Jacob-followers.

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You know, just reading this page alone has me wondering if the writers are even aware of these questions and plot lines any more. They can't really tie up all of this now can they?

Speaking of Desmond. Where is the guy again?

A lot of it doesn't really matter anymore though does it? I mean we were obsessed with Widmore/Ben for a while but now, who cares? The story has moved on from there.

I wonder how the list at the end of season two that Ben had relates to the names in the cave because Kate was on that but not Hurley.

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A lot of it doesn't really matter anymore though does it? I mean we were obsessed with Widmore/Ben for a while but now, who cares? The story has moved on from there.

I wonder how the list at the end of season two that Ben had relates to the names in the cave because Kate was on that but not Hurley.

I'm wondering if they're going to come back to that as well. You could dismisstot as a list Ben made up to get his tumour removed, invoking Jacob's name to get the others on board. But then one of the others clearly stated that Jack isn't on Jacob's list. So why would Ben not include the key person on the list of people he wants kidnapped?

I also think it won't be a simple case of Smokey=bad, Jacob=good. The Others, supposedly Jacobs's people' are basically a bunch of arseholes. Think of all the innocent people they've killed.

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And why did he chase the boy on foot despite being able to turn in to smoke?

For some, as yet unexplained reason, he can't turn into smoke anymore. At least that's what was said by the woman who collected Jacob's ashes (sorry, forgotten her name).

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Its not that he can't turn into smoke, it's that he can't become anyone other than Locke. (At least that's how I understood it).

I wonder if she only thinks this because she believed Ben when he said that it was Flocke that killed Jacob? So if MiB killed Jacob himself then he'd lose some of his powers or whatever.

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I don't think it's that. He, after all, was good old smokey at the begining of this episode. I think Ilyana (if that's how you spell it) meant he is stuck with Lockes body from now on, so we won't see the MiB from last season again. At least that's what I understood from it.

For some reason, smokey can't transform into, erm, smoke when somebody is around to see him. Remember Ben in the temple last season? 'Locke' disappeared from his view, then smokey shows up. In the opeening episode when Jacob's people attack Locke, he disappears, only for smokey to show up and hand out an ass whopping. I guess he couldn't change because Sawyer was with him. Why, I don't really know. Budget constraints?

Edit: too slow, agree with what drewthmsn says.

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Its not that he can't turn into smoke, it's that he can't become anyone other than Locke. (At least that's how I understood it).

Yes, that's how I understood it too. It seemed odd to have this all-powerful smoke monster tripping over a log.

Was it ever explained how Ben managed to summon the smoke monster around the time his daughter was killed (S4?)?

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Was it ever explained how Ben managed to summon the smoke monster around the time his daughter was killed (S4?)?

He emptied some drain in his basement, didn't he?

He tried it again when Flocke was with him when they'd returned to the island, and Ben was going on about being judged.

I think the offhand "he can't change form anymore" was basically just a way of telling us viewers not to keep second guessing that every other character might actually be smokey in any given scene. I think this is yet another thing that we will never be given a full explanation of (and don't need one of), we just have to take her word for it, like the other characters did.

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Not sure if this really belongs in this thread or not as it's not actually episode discussion, but it certainly doesn't belong in the spoiler thread:

Linky

Basically, it's the most commonly spoken words by each of these characters, sized according to the number of times spoken.

I like that in Hurley's section, 'Dude' can be seen from outer space. :hmm:

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That's what I said a while back. What if Jacob is the bad guy in all this.
I agree that Jacob quite possibly isn't good, aside from the fact he's clearly a creepy fuck, when Jacob and MiB were first introduced to us, my sympathies were with MiB.

Hmm, well, the convo on the beach definitely made me think that Jacob was the good guy - the whole faith in humanity thing - you don't usually get good guys who think that humanity is hopeless and all about murder/destruction, etc.

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Hmm, well, the convo on the beach definitely made me think that Jacob was the good guy - the whole faith in humanity thing - you don't usually get good guys who think that humanity is hopeless and all about murder/destruction, etc.

I saw it more that Jacob was playing with these people's lives, that it never ended well, and MiB thought he was a bit of a dick for doing it. Jacob may well be well intentioned in what he is doing, but is it actually for the greater good?

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